# Response to all the "anti-solo" players out there **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 4, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285 "2020-02-04T20:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Tintallei\_Sharan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tintallei_sharan/32/373000_2.png) [@Tintallei\_Sharan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tintallei_Sharan)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 11:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/67 "2020-02-06T11:12:54Z")
> [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > It is about having two completely different perspectives as opposed to actually disagreeing about things being correct one way or another. That is very possible, tho to me it’s kinda what I mean when saying “agree to disagree”, my mastery of the english language might not be good enough to explain my point of view in more appropriate words/expressions ^^ > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > at least try to admit that it could have some value even if not for the sake of recognition by other players. It seem to me like our whole debate is because I was specifically speaking about having a value “for the community”, or “for the game”. I can admit that a personnal goal can have a personnal value, but on the other hand it also seems very logical to me that, since we agree it is “personnal” value, it’s legit to say that it doesn’t hold any value for the rest of the playerbase. > [@Gowa\_Hyasyoda](#): > > I have to completely disagree with you here in the opposite direction. What is intended is very subjective, I would say that the game was not intended to be played in any one way either cooperatively or solo. In my opinion it was intended for both, to serve as many game play styles as possible rather than being linear as to how the game should be played. You are right, it is subjective for sure. As I tried to explain in an answer to someone else on this same thread, I believe that every game mechanic, when developped, is developped with a certain purpose and expected outcome in mind, because devs are humans like you and me, and when we create something, there is always a purpose and something that we believe is the logical way to use it. But since none of us is a dev, we can’t be sure of WHAT was the expected result in question. Which indeed leave to the conclusion that unless a dev confirm it directly, it’s subjective. > [@Otto\_TheRed](#): > > This is a bizarre thread - why does anyone care whether someone plays EVE solo or with others or a combination of that? I don’t think a lot of people “care” that much. Most people have an opinion about how the game should be played, but a small amount of people “care” to the point of being in a crusade against people with a different view. They will think that this person is wrong, and move-on. > [@Commander\_Kane](#): > > Because many other like me was a prime example that solo play can and will have a lasting impact on people. People still today 5 years later point back to specific people antics. > > Psychotic Monks - Awox Master > Chribba - The biggest of them all. Granted he had many alts. > Myself as the original Cannibal Kane - 1 man wardecs I don’t know any of them, do you have a link to a video or anything that speak about them and their achievements? I think this whole debate revolve around the fact that I was refering to a specific kind of impact (for instance controling the map), which is to me the most valuable impact, and a lack of conscience about other kind of very legit impact that players can have. Ironically, it probably comes down to a lack of knowledge of everything that is possible to do in EvE, while my posts earned me to be called a “fake new player” LMAO. ---
**Author:** ![Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ahari_chent-shi/32/249476_2.png) [@Ahari\_Chent-Shi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ahari_Chent-Shi)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/68 "2020-02-06T11:48:46Z")
Let’s just go full World of Warships and force everyone in a team on undock. No more “unintended” solo play. Ccplz gib me jurb ---
**Author:** ![z0ra\_Berg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0ra_berg/32/187042_2.png) [@z0ra\_Berg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0ra_Berg)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 12:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/69 "2020-02-06T12:29:27Z")
Psychotik Monk was a well respected, widely known player. He was the one to make awoxing and “safari” a big thing and did plenty of other shenanigans creating news. Safari is basically reverse awoxing. You invite people into your corp and then kill them, and or steal their stuff. He created a community of many, many people, doing all kinds of things to keep the game interesting for those who never see any social influence otherwise. Same goes for Hell Wilkus and the “Suddenly Ninjas”, who made highsec feel alive and lively. Commander Kane, formerly known as Cannibal Kane, was once named “End Boss of Highsec”, because he single handedly wrecked whole groups, all by himself, and he never even used a fitting tool to fit his ships. That was long before “ghost fitting” was implemented in the game. These two were heavily involved in highsec politics. Chribba is the single most trusted player in EVE ONLINE. He’s also one of the longest. I think he actually is player #10, if i recall correctly. He’s been a trusted third party for those who wanted to sell their supers, he has a Dreadnaught mining in Amarr, he mined in fleets of Titans in nullsec, he once had literally half the game’s population jump to his support, because TEST wanted to claim the SOV granted to him for free by someone else. That’s impact. Social impact. The only one that truly matters. Everything else comes second at best, because without all the social aspects, big or small, there would be no game worth playing. " > [@Tintallei\_Sharan](#): > > (for instance controling the map), which is to me the most valuable impact That’s only second to social impact, because without people there is no “controlling the map”. Not only that, the majority of players do not even care about what’s going on in nullsec, as they play in the other three “parts”. So you might have the opinion that “controlling the map” provides the most valueable impact, but not only is it not true on a general level, but if you reduce it strictly to “value” in terms of “monetary value” then you really have no idea about this game at all. ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 1:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/70 "2020-02-06T13:04:09Z")
> [@Otto\_TheRed](#): > > why does anyone care whether someone plays EVE solo or with others or a combination of that? Because some of those people are trying to push changes that make their way of playing EVE better at expense of others. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/71 "2020-02-06T16:24:53Z")
> [@Otto\_TheRed](#): > > > why does anyone care whether someone plays EVE solo or with others or a combination of that? > > Because some of those people are trying to push changes that make their way of playing EVE better at expense of others. Needs repeating. ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/72 "2020-02-06T16:30:49Z")
It’s a sandbox, you fly the way you want to, people need to understand this. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/73 "2020-02-06T16:48:06Z")
Ironic order of posts 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Sabus\_Narian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sabus_narian/32/147677_2.png) [@Sabus\_Narian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sabus_Narian)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/75 "2020-02-06T17:01:00Z")
> Ironic order of posts 🤣 lol not really 😛 ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/77 "2020-02-06T19:37:33Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > a TEAM of other players attacks you. A team with one player with 10 ganking accounts? hehehe sorry I could not resist ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 7:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/78 "2020-02-06T19:52:04Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > a TEAM of other players attacks you. > > A team with one player with 10 ganking accounts? hehehe sorry I could not resist The people who design the game have to assume it is 10 customers. ---
**Author:** ![Foggy\_Bernstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/foggy_bernstein/32/407887_2.png) [@Foggy\_Bernstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Foggy_Bernstein)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/79 "2020-02-06T20:08:18Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > The people who design the game have to assume it is 10 customers. After 15+ years of that being provably wrong? I don’t think so. The only proper assumption is that it’s more likely 10 alts than 10 separate players. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/80 "2020-02-06T20:09:24Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > The people who design the game have to assume it is 10 customers. > > After 15+ years of that being provably wrong? I don’t think so. The only proper assumption is that it’s more likely 10 alts than 10 separate players. So in a 10v1 the balance should be like 1v1 because the 10 are really alts? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/83 "2020-02-06T20:21:38Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > So in a 10v1 the balance should be like 1v1 because the 10 are really alts? > > Personally I think it should not be possible to mulitbox 10 accounts in any active activity. Ganking, mining, ratting, all should require enough interaction and attention that it’s impossible to do 10+ times over at the saem time. It’s way harder without botting than urban legend would have you believe, most the people saying this are just making it up due to “sour grapes”. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/84 "2020-02-06T20:22:47Z")
Translation: I am too stupid to be able to multibox so no-one should be allowed to. REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ---
**Author:** ![Ugren\_Okaski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ugren_okaski/32/181459_2.png) [@Ugren\_Okaski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ugren_Okaski)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/85 "2020-02-06T20:40:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ganking, mining, ratting, all should require enough interaction and attention that it’s impossible to do 10+ times over at the saem time. Then mining needs a serious overhaul… ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/87 "2020-02-06T20:45:10Z")
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**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/88 "2020-02-06T20:48:07Z")
Yeah sure you do. Totally believe you. 100%. Sssshhhhhhuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrreeee. Considering all the times you moan about how sh1t the game is I’m surprised you can even pretend to play any more… ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 11:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/90 "2020-02-06T23:28:46Z")
It doesn’t matter, 32 accounts, you have already called attention to yourself, the only question that remains is what software are you using to drive them and when will you suddenly disappear like so many before you. There is a huge difference between running multiple accounts, each manually, and using software to drive them. One is encouraged and one is ban on sight. ---
**Author:** ![FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fairytail_omaristos/32/145000_2.png) [@FairyTail\_Omaristos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/FairyTail_Omaristos)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/91 "2020-02-06T23:31:35Z")
Botter confirmed ---
**Author:** ![Aramatheia](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aramatheia/32/383412_2.png) [@Aramatheia](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aramatheia)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2020, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285/92 "2020-02-06T23:50:22Z")
i’ve lost a mining barge (lol) while in a fleet, yet once I survived a gank attempt by a pair of gankers on a stargate. I dont think it was a genuine attempt though, it was 2 arty hurricanes and they failed to defeat a shield tanked legion! Pretty sure some of those talo’s or tornados would have gotten the job done. I play solo I run armour fit laser cruisers with a probe launcher, sometimes I get contested in sites and one time I lost, comprehensively. If i had friends we’d probably win easily but such is eve. I dont have the dedicated play time to arrange fleet ops with people so thats how i make my eve. compromise is good [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/response-to-all-the-anti-solo-players-out-there/217285.md?page=5)