# Restraining orders balancing the scale with Griefers **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 2, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639 "2018-03-02T04:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/101 "2018-03-02T20:58:16Z")
I do not negotiate mining permits. First that is extortion, its a mining racket and there is no true protection against anyone, but, the ones that you are paying to leave you alone. That is not isk positive. Additionally, no one crowned those people king. Next you pay one alt to stop then you have to pay another alt to stop. It actually encourages bad behavior with positive reinforcement. Technically speaking the people that do this in game are probably doing something on the shady side in real life and most likely should be in jail. Nothing saying they couldn’t play the game in jail if they had the means. But, no, I do not encourage children to bully others. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/102 "2018-03-02T20:59:09Z")
> [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > As a non-HS player, there is certainly a lot of whinging about CODE. and their influence. They seem pretty powerful in highsec, just like many other groups are in their space. Seems like ownership just the same. The problem is that they are protected by poor mechanics, bumping at speed XXX should get them suspect, at least then I can give them a taste of neutron blasters as well, the docking mechanics of allowing criminals is dumb, I will be their the first to admit that I stink at PVP but chasing them around only for them to be docked, that just bored me and a waste of my time as you can’t get to them, it’s boring chasing them, at least if one of their alts is hanging at udema and bump I know where to go look for some action, then they in turn can blast me in turn, but, that bump mechanics only favor carebearish behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/103 "2018-03-02T20:59:56Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > The suspect timer must mean something, otherwise CODE would be blobbing in Low Sec, now wouldn’t they? Not likely. Lowsec already looks after the bots on its own. In the absence of CCP removing the bots (and bot aspirants through AFK play), CODE. police highsec as there isn’t anyone else too. It’s pretty selfless when you think about it. They sacrifice their game time to make the economy better for us all and to ensure that the bots and AFK bot aspirants don’t eat all the rocks for active players. They sort of deserve some thanks from highsec. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/104 "2018-03-02T21:02:27Z")
> [@Piugattuk](#): > > bumping at speed XXX should get them suspect, I agree, this would be a lot of fun. I hope one day CCP actually implements this and also OPs idea. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/105 "2018-03-02T21:07:25Z")
> [@Piugattuk](#): > > The problem is that they are protected by poor mechanics, bumping at speed XXX should get them suspect, Yeah it’s one of those issues that people have pretty strong views on, in very opposite ways. Personally, I generally fa our players taking responsibility for the things they face and using existingme hanics to deal with problems, rather than asking CCP to extend mechanics further, or develop new ones. So in this debate, over the years I’ve always fallen on the side that argues: 1. The bump ship can be ganked (and they do get ganked) 2. Counter bumping is possible (with another Mach, to get the Freighter/etc. moving to a warpable Target (Upwell structures are great now because of how many there are) 3. Freighter Pilots should take more care to begin with (risk and or laziness are the root cause of the situation they end up in, and they don’t deserve to be protected from themselves). I can totally understand the other side of the argument, and I’m glad it’s there. It constantly challenges us all to continue to think through issues. So that is good, though I still at this point, don’t want to see this suspect change introduced. ---
**Author:** ![Piugattuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piugattuk/32/292316_2.png) [@Piugattuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piugattuk)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/106 "2018-03-02T21:14:56Z")
I shoot you, you shoot me, we are one big happy family with a punch and a kick from me to you (metaphorically speaking only), won’t you say you love me too. ---
**Author:** ![Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avaelica_kuershin/32/478139_2.png) [@Avaelica\_Kuershin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avaelica_Kuershin)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/107 "2018-03-02T21:17:34Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > Firstly restraining orders would not be free, there would also be a cool off time, it would need to be in home system and there would be a limit to how many could be implemented at once. However, there is nothing in stone on how they may be applied. I was thinking more about peoples input. Of course bumpers and griefers will have a problem with this and its not a care bare tactics so much as a punch back when you are punched scenario. Or a misuse of the system as well. It would would shake things up a bit. I can’t possibly see how the null-sec coalitions could possibly game this. (and if you don’t understand that is sarcasm…) ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/108 "2018-03-02T21:18:12Z")
Two flaw with this statement, they target all miners, not just Bots. Additionally, bots, do not buy permits. You are well aware of the twisted thinking here. ---
**Author:** ![Faylee\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/faylee_freir/32/439750_2.png) [@Faylee\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Faylee_Freir)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/109 "2018-03-02T21:19:19Z")
I give up. Hey OP enjoy being miserable in this game. If you actually want to transform yourself and the way the game plays you, let me know… I promise I won’t yell too much. A little abuse goes a long way 😉 ---
**Author:** ![TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theinternet_tweepsonline_theinternet/32/414103_2.png) [@TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheInternet_TweepsOnline_TheInternet)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/110 "2018-03-02T21:20:27Z")
Hahahaha. Get out of Highsec you scrubs. Fly Fearless is dead. Drop corp. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/111 "2018-03-02T21:22:43Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > Two flaw with this statement, they target all miners, not just Bots. Hmmm, I’ve never looked closely, but I’ve never seen evidence of them killing compliant miners. CODE. are pretty transparent and straight forward about what they consider to be bot and/or bot aspirant behaviour, and from all the cases I have seen posted here on the forums since 2012, it’s always involved something that was clearly against what CODE. believe in. So I’m not arguing with you. It’s not for me to defend them. They seem well enough able to do that themselves. Just an observation from what I’ve seen. However, this is beginning to drag the thread off topic, so I’ll get back to the issue of the thread and leave the side discussion alone. ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/112 "2018-03-02T21:22:59Z")
Thanks TheInternet, I know we could count on you. I especially appreciate you knew gank squad of Bjbee’s You just don’t know when to quit, a few isk kills here and few isk kills there does not go very far. ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/113 "2018-03-02T21:24:02Z")
Guess you have not hung around Kalorned and his crew. They kill nothing, but, active players. More specifically MRM miners. New bros litterally day old characters. Then they simply quit. ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/114 "2018-03-02T21:29:36Z")
As stated before, there are ways this could be used and manipulated and that is the point. I would love to see what CCP could brain storm on this topic. So hence the reason it is being discussed here. The reality is none of us can make those changes. However, we can discuss the possibilities. Looks like all the CODE people just want to berate it so it would not happen. But, they should not worry, because it could work in their favor just as much as others. Thats the point a win on both sides is a Win and creates a crap ton of content. I never said, I wanted to get rid of the bumpers, just change how both sides play the game. It’s called innovation, which is what people keep saying, “ADAPT”. ---
**Author:** ![Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donatien_alphonse_francois/32/305419_2.png) [@Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donatien_Alphonse_Francois)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/115 "2018-03-02T21:32:46Z")
The easiest way for you to stop getting bumped is to leave highsec, as you’ve been told multiple times. It is my firm belief that since you have not yet done so you should **_seek help_**. ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/116 "2018-03-02T21:34:51Z")
Yes, been told. So was that by a superior, someone who was granted special rights? That’s the point. Code preaches freedom yet imposes their own special type of domination. You do understand the irony do you not? Let me spell it out. It’s called being a hypocrite. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/117 "2018-03-02T21:40:50Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > special rights You mean like asking for some special feature so you can survive a 10v1… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/118 "2018-03-02T21:42:30Z")
There are 1,212 hisec systems, some are islands but for the most part they’re contiguous. Pick one where Code are not. ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/119 "2018-03-02T21:42:32Z")
Nope because I did’nt ask for that. Firstly we are just discussing. Second, I did not ask for something that only benefits on type of player. ---
**Author:** ![TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theinternet_tweepsonline_theinternet/32/414103_2.png) [@TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheInternet_TweepsOnline_TheInternet)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/120 "2018-03-02T21:42:36Z")
You don’t like what’s been happening? Take it up with Gai. He started this conflict with his big mouth. If you don’t like being involved, drop corp. We have no problem with linemembers such as yourself. Our war is against the bot-aspirant entity known as Fly Fearless. Disassociate yourself from Fly Fearless and we will show you mercy. If you refuse our terms the improvements will continue. Assistance Group has your best interests in mind. Please enjoy. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639.md?page=5) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639.md?page=7)