# Restraining orders balancing the scale with Griefers **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [March 2, 2018, 4:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639 "2018-03-02T04:43:15Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donatien_alphonse_francois/32/305419_2.png) [@Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donatien_Alphonse_Francois)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/141 "2018-03-02T22:40:28Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > VPN still have a Public address and origination point. It is funny to think that a VPN will hide origination. I have thousands of VPN endpoints to choose from. ![vpn%20endpoints](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/5/65a850264d04981e0f1b07f58e7a3ce13da38170.png) ---
**Author:** ![Viktor\_Calies](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/viktor_calies/32/50577_2.png) [@Viktor\_Calies](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Viktor_Calies)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/142 "2018-03-02T22:54:27Z")
Restraining orders? WHAT? Dude, I’m a ■■■■■■■ care bear and that sounds retarded. ---
**Author:** ![Khergit\_Deserters](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/khergit_deserters/32/319315_2.png) [@Khergit\_Deserters](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Khergit_Deserters)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2018, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/143 "2018-03-02T23:50:10Z")
(Just an aside, but kind of interesting, and maybe a little on topic) In the Anglo-American legal systems at least, courts are reluctant to grant restraining orders. They impinge too much on the freedom of the individual to move around and live his life. Instead, the systems prefer awarding the payment of monetary damages to the aggrieved party. That way the transgressor and the victim are both at liberty to carry on with life-- but the victim now has more power (money) for fueling his desired activities, and the transgressor has less. In short, let the forced transfer of money from one party to the other do the talking. The two parties can work out the intricacies of how they want to behave and interact after that on their own. ---
**Author:** ![Chevis\_Preston](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chevis_preston/32/119926_2.png) [@Chevis\_Preston](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chevis_Preston)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/144 "2018-03-03T00:55:32Z")
Kalorned is a national hero OP the old eve saying used to be harden the ■■■■ up enjoy a tall glass of it ---
**Author:** ![Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gadget_helmsdottir/32/374037_2.png) [@Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gadget_Helmsdottir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/145 "2018-03-03T03:39:21Z")
Space Judges!! And we all know that in EvE, Judges can be bought. > **[How EVE Players Pulled Off The Biggest Betrayal In Its History](https://kotaku.com/how-eve-players-pulled-off-the-biggest-betrayal-in-its-1806168400)** > > EVE Online is infamous for its scammers, pirates, and ne’er-do-wells, but this week all their scams were put to shame. A member of the game’s Council of Stellar Management and head diplomat of the Circle of Two alliance named The Judge stole all of... –Gadget checks her piggy bank ---
**Author:** ![Canenald](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/canenald/32/27656_2.png) [@Canenald](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Canenald)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 9:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/146 "2018-03-03T09:29:41Z")
Hi, pubbies. I only came here to share some salt with you. > Backup Needed At EvE-O Forums > From: Igot UrDorito Ryhere > Sent at: 2018-03-03 04:15:00 > To: Mission Ready Mining, Alliance Mail > Hello everyone, > > Our very own Juntuu has posted an amazing idea concerning restraining orders on the official eve forums located here: [Restraining orders balancing the scale with Griefers - #145 by Gadget\_Helmsdottir](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/145) > > Unfourtanately Juntuu is currently getting overwhelmed by Kalorned alts who are posting that his idea is bad, won’t work, etc. Fly Fearless will not stand for this, we fight and help our own! I’d ask that all Fly Fearless members log on to the forums as soon as you can and back up Juntuu in that thread - explain to the greater eve community via the forums how bad a person Kalorned is and how he’s ruining our corporation. > > Only if we can get our message out will we receive assistance from brave eve pilots who will come to aid our alliance. > > Thanks for your help in advance! > Igot UrDorito Ryhere Guess I’m a Kalorned alt too now, ooops. Canenald The Piercing Eye of MMD Certified Premium Shitpost Signer ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/147 "2018-03-03T09:32:27Z")
This is getting better and better ---
**Author:** ![Tasspool\_Harp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tasspool_harp/32/144213_2.png) [@Tasspool\_Harp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tasspool_Harp)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 9:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/148 "2018-03-03T09:53:38Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > This is getting better and better On that note , where is Salvos ? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 10:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/149 "2018-03-03T10:34:42Z")
If only they took that attitude into the game, rather than into the whining. ---
**Author:** ![Tormirien\_Starbud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tormirien_starbud/32/56916_2.png) [@Tormirien\_Starbud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tormirien_Starbud)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 10:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/150 "2018-03-03T10:49:16Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > some if not many of these bumpers have become super trolls and there is next to zero defense against them. Wrong. Thus is why further mechanics nerfing them isn’t necessary. ---
**Author:** ![TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theinternet_tweepsonline_theinternet/32/414103_2.png) [@TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheInternet_TweepsOnline_TheInternet)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/151 "2018-03-03T11:02:16Z")
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**Author:** ![Nisanthro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nisanthro/32/169173_2.png) [@Nisanthro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nisanthro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/152 "2018-03-03T11:03:49Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > There is no such thing as “Your” territory in High Sec as there are no mechanics that allow you to lay claim to High Sec space. Have you even read the Code? The New Order agents enforce the law by bumping and/or killing you - they control you. There’s your mechanic for holding highsec sovereignty. You are welcome. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Tormirien\_Starbud](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tormirien_starbud/32/56916_2.png) [@Tormirien\_Starbud](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tormirien_Starbud)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 11:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/153 "2018-03-03T11:06:27Z")
> [@JunTuu](#): > > A restraining order should make the restrained an active target to the person that initiated it in their home system. I should’ve read the whole post earlier. CCPLEASE implement this today. I could use a larf. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 11:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/154 "2018-03-03T11:50:43Z")
Can I get a concise bullet point list of your exact proposal? ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/155 "2018-03-03T13:49:19Z")
Here we go again ---
**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 4:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/156 "2018-03-03T16:26:57Z")
Funny, why would Igot UrDorito Ryhere post that when that character is a Kalorned alt. We have been trying to kick him, but, he won’t dock up. The reality is, this was not about Kalorned, but, again used as an example. The reality is, this post only goes to further the amount of griefing and things that Kalornies do. It is all about the content and constant pressure. We could also post other emails that Kalorned alts post in the MRM email system. They are constant and often. They actually post them on their very own website. Scams, extortion letters, and, even claim to be MRM officers, while telling people to leave corp. The restraining order idea was not to directly combat Kalorned, but, change the way the game is played, shake things up and force every one to adapt yet again. Which is also what nearly everyone that commented said, learn and adapt. This type of message from Kalorned and his alts was not unexpected. As I said in a earlier message, it was expected and even encouraged. ---
**Author:** ![TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/theinternet_tweepsonline_theinternet/32/414103_2.png) [@TheInternet\_TweepsOnline\_TheInternet](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheInternet_TweepsOnline_TheInternet)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/157 "2018-03-03T16:31:06Z")
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**Author:** ![JunTuu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/juntuu/32/306940_2.png) [@JunTuu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JunTuu)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/158 "2018-03-03T16:32:09Z")
This is only and idea, floating and loosely thought out. I am not going to put too much energy into it, as many have said its more of a tunnel snaked pipe dream. But, again, the advantage is on neither side, it would simply institute a mechanic that made people legal targets. This allows a micro level war dec instead of a macro war dec. ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 4:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/159 "2018-03-03T16:49:09Z")
CODE is now referring to themselves as a Policing unit? That is just more proof of their total mental breakdown regarding anything real. CODE does not Police anything. CODE are the very bottom of the Pirate Barrel, I don’t if Pirates would even call them Pirates. CODE are thugs and griefers who hide behind the mechanics of the game because lack the ability to really do anything other than blob freighters, who are not Bots, along with any Capsuleer they feel that they want to Pod for any reason. CODE in the very sense of reality of New Eden are terrorists. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2018, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639/160 "2018-03-03T17:25:58Z")
You must have not tried very hard to kick him as the kick-queue should remove him from the corporation the next time he docks up or goes offline… [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639.md?page=7) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/restraining-orders-balancing-the-scale-with-griefers/60639.md?page=9)