# Revenant Marauders nerf - glory to the gankers! **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 11, 2024, 8:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614 "2024-11-11T08:23:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/41 "2024-11-12T05:33:17Z")
@Lugh_Crow-Slave Why should I be the one to tell them and have them be mad at me? o.O _You_ tell them. ![1000002442](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/1/c/61c3c14e4711c5ee25cb47939c8a8317fa01f346.jpeg) That’s a neat-looking ship by the way. ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 7:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/42 "2024-11-12T07:18:30Z")
> [@Chad\_Frostpacker](#): > > The change is almost on the same level as mining permits and currently they both irk me​🤬 `Yet another satisfied customer.` – CCP 😏 :psyccp: ---
**Author:** ![Chad\_Frostpacker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chad_frostpacker/32/515697_2.png) [@Chad\_Frostpacker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chad_Frostpacker)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/43 "2024-11-12T08:29:28Z")
You need to calm down Uriel ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 9:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/44 "2024-11-12T09:05:15Z")
I am calm, the Frostpacker however might benefit from calming down. 😏 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/45 "2024-11-12T15:57:32Z")
Yeah, the intention of that fit was exactly that: Survive a 100% certain gank, that in fact happened… I tend to use a slightly more effective fit when I use it for missions… in many cases also other BS like a Navy Scorpion is more effective than the Golem, bc Osmos still is a super risky system and running a Marauder there that has zero tank fit is suicide… ---
**Author:** ![Rocket\_Hellfire](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rocket_hellfire/32/396905_2.png) [@Rocket\_Hellfire](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rocket_Hellfire)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/46 "2024-11-12T17:23:51Z")
CCP doing CCP things. Zero thought. Just anti-player development. ---
**Author:** ![Shion\_Ishii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shion_ishii/32/389684_2.png) [@Shion\_Ishii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shion_Ishii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/47 "2024-11-12T17:28:11Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > What I’m gathering here is that risk adverse doesn’t necessarily mean a loss of isk, but actual loss in a pvp sense (lowering ones kill to loss ratio) as Mr. Epeen pointed out. Nobody cares about that. I know a b.s. ship loss when I see it. A string of 20 shuttle loses. A string of 50 gank fit catalysts. Again, these “loses” are taken intentionally. It cannot ever be perceived as a loss in any true sense. That’s like donating money to the poor and acting like you were robbed. And kill/loss ratio isn’t actually important to anyone anyway. They can claim it is, but at the end of the day no matter how “epic” or embarrassing the killmail it is forgotten and buried in their zkill/history. Nobody sees a guy and say, _“Oh, that’s Soandso! He took down a titan in a corvette back in 2010. His K/L ratio is suberb!! I know this because I check it daily”._ That simply isn’t a thing. Nobody gives a [bleep] other than it being a passing curiosity in local for a few minutes. ---
**Author:** ![Cyberware\_Hellcorp](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cyberware_hellcorp/32/440325_2.png) [@Cyberware\_Hellcorp](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cyberware_Hellcorp)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/48 "2024-11-12T17:29:02Z")
Now my Battleship are better than my marauder. That is cool. I tought T2 ships are the better ones. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/49 "2024-11-12T17:41:03Z")
They said they wanted the Navy BS to be the new meta basically… Rattlesnake prices are going up… ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/50 "2024-11-12T17:44:33Z")
> [@Smarter\_ThanU](#): > > Most ganker block their losses from showing up on the KB. Says the person who has zero killboard at all. ---
**Author:** ![Shion\_Ishii](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shion_ishii/32/389684_2.png) [@Shion\_Ishii](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shion_Ishii)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/51 "2024-11-12T17:50:59Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > > [@Shion\_Ishii](#): > > > > There is no actual risk because nothing is actually on the line. > > If that is true, why aren’t you better at ganking? > > Shouldn’t you just get a bunch of free easy isk with your no risk easy ganks? > > Why does your killboard list zero kills? Better at ganking? To be better or worse at something requires an actual player skill requirement, which ganking does not. Overwhelming force against a relatively defenseless target simply requires a willingness to show up. Everyone gets a trophy. I take no pleasure in inconveniencing other people or ruining their day. I’m actually a decent person in that regard. Sitting at a gate for hours waiting for something expensive to jump thru or looking for hapless miners/explorers to grief isn’t my idea of fun. But you do you. Just don’t pretend you’re not a carebear at heart. In terms of PvP, you’re like a timid fox vs. a lab mouse. Elite PvP are like male lions fighting other male lions to take over the pride. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/52 "2024-11-12T17:58:47Z")
> [@Shion\_Ishii](#): > > And kill/loss ratio isn’t actually important to anyone anyway. They can claim it is, but at the end of the day no matter how “epic” or embarrassing the killmail it is forgotten and buried in their zkill/history. Nobody sees a guy and say, _“Oh, that’s Soandso! He took down a titan in a corvette back in 2010. His K/L ratio is suberb!! I know this because I check it daily”._ That simply isn’t a thing. Nobody gives a [bleep] other than it being a passing curiosity in local for a few minutes. Well of course no-one looks at killboard that way. When I look at someone else’s killboard it is mainly to establish… 1. Does the person do any combat activity at all 2. What level of ships/skills is the person flying 3. Do they do fleets or solo or both 4. Kills to loss ratio…which gives _some_ idea, when the above are taken into account, of whether the person is a force to be reckoned with. I’ve only very rarely looked at a killboard and thought ‘what a hero !’. Usually I just want to know will I be slaughtered if I attack them. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/53 "2024-11-12T18:03:25Z")
> [@Shion\_Ishii](#): > > Better at ganking? To be better or worse at something requires an actual player skill requirement, which ganking does not. With all due respect, you have successfully lost a couple of frigates and an Ibis to NPCs…three KB records…and that makes you an expert on the skills required for ganking ?? ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/54 "2024-11-12T18:05:45Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > and that makes you an expert on the skills required for ganking ?? Didn’t you know? Everybody’s an expert nowadays, especially at things they’ve never tried. ---
**Author:** ![Gloria\_Exercitus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gloria_exercitus/32/509735_2.png) [@Gloria\_Exercitus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gloria_Exercitus)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/55 "2024-11-12T18:08:49Z")
> [@Analoreke\_Brunette](#): > > Didn’t you know? Everybody’s an expert nowadays, especially at things they’ve never tried. It’s par for the course on a forum that consists almost entirely of the LEAST active people in the game disparaging the activities of the MOST active people in the game. I’d make forum posting contingent upon having logged in during the past 30 days. ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/56 "2024-11-12T18:12:28Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > I’d make forum posting contingent upon having logged in during the past 30 days You’re nicer than I am. I’d make it upon having logged in the past 24h. Also, two whining posts maximum in a week or it’s a week ban. ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/57 "2024-11-12T18:21:35Z")
> [@Analoreke\_Brunette](#): > > I’d make it upon having logged in the past 24h. I’d make it contingent on having an active Omega acct. That’ll clear at least half of you yahoos out. Make a new subforum for Alpha freeloaders to do their whining in. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Analoreke\_Brunette](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/analoreke_brunette/32/441333_2.png) [@Analoreke\_Brunette](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Analoreke_Brunette)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/58 "2024-11-12T18:22:42Z")
@Mr_Epeen I’m deeply sorry but I truly don’t understand what you mean. ---
**Author:** ![Queotzcatl](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/queotzcatl/32/436120_2.png) [@Queotzcatl](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Queotzcatl)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/59 "2024-11-12T19:21:27Z")
Holy moly, My Vargur couldn’t clear the second room of L4 World Collision PVE almost… I had to run the Shield extender for whole the time, my cap dried up, my drones got eaten like bugs, and only bc I could kill all BS I managed to be able to kill the last scrambler with the last of my 15 Hornets!!! and fly away!!! I thought, well, how BAD COULD THIS BE??? IT?S REALLY BAD!!! Unsufficient cap to make it for the Tank loss… diminshed DPS… this is tragic… How could they possibly think this was a good idea??? I ALMOST DIED !!! In a LV 4!!! ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2024, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614/60 "2024-11-12T19:34:44Z")
> [@Gloria\_Exercitus](#): > > When I look at someone else’s killboard it is mainly to establish… …whether you can try and shame them for not being a hero blobber like you. Mr Epeen 🕶 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revenant-marauders-nerf-glory-to-the-gankers/467614.md?page=4)