# Revert the changes to t3 cruisers not being allowed in 3/10 and 4/10 ded sites **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [December 23, 2019, 9:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028 "2019-12-23T21:58:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/21 "2019-12-24T20:51:17Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > There are already plenty of ship setups that run through these sites in a couple of minutes Then why not use those ships? > [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > The meme you all prattle makes you look stupid lol. The problem you provide, and the solution you also stated, which i asked for above, makes you look doubly stupid. > [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > I use ships that out dps my loki for these sites and they never get touched. So wheres the problem? > [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > It’s STUPID and a change that provided nothing. Oh, I get it. It didnt change anything, therefore it was worth complaining about. Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 24, 2019, 9:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/22 "2019-12-24T21:19:41Z")
Bless you! ---
**Author:** ![Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wacky_wobbler_wibble/32/171062_2.png) [@Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wacky_Wobbler_Wibble)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/23 "2019-12-25T00:56:08Z")
If ud like my cap stable cruiser/gnosis fits for these id be happy to mail them to you 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/25 "2019-12-27T01:21:37Z")
Prior to the t3c change highsec was overrun with them running sites, between their scanning bonuses, huge tank, and good dps they were just a no brainer. And the sites were not balanced to face t3cs. As such t3cs were shutting newer players out of the content because they could scan and run the sites so much faster than anyone else with no downsides. The change was made to force thinking about fits, risk and having to make decisions about what your fit will be strong in. You however have provided no reason why to revert this change beyond “because I want to use them” T3cs can still run those sites in lowsec. ---
**Author:** ![Jita\_Point\_Bot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jita_point_bot/32/383046_2.png) [@Jita\_Point\_Bot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jita_Point_Bot)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/26 "2019-12-27T01:28:10Z")
Devils advocate here, T3 cruiser wouldn’t even be the easiest ship to run these in. If some idiots want to curtail themselves making less isk in a ship that could easily run higher end sites I say let them. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2019, 2:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/27 "2019-12-27T02:27:19Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > changes that makes no sense Make no sense to _you_! > [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > Numbers to this game has been lower than they were several years ago and that’s with the Koreans playing now included. People through out the years have even told you all how terrible and toxic you are and you never believe. Yet you continually act like a bunch of fools and honestly, when this game dies, I will miss what was once a good game, but no one will miss you. Speak for yourself mate. Look at your post and your attitude to people that simply don’t agree with you. The only toxic person here is you! Just demanding more and more is what has brought the game to it’s knees. Having your cake and eating it too has made for a very dull game. You are not the solution. You are in fact part of the problem. ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/28 "2019-12-30T14:24:16Z")
Ok, let me just get in my gila with 900 dps and run these sites instead. You people are insane. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 2:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/29 "2019-12-30T14:57:44Z")
> [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](#): > > Things ain’t fair and it shouldn’t be even in pve. I think you just killed your own idea. EvE _isn’t_ fair. Not all ships have access to all content, nor should they. If anything I think CCP should follow the trend further and block D3s from 2/10s and 3/10s. ---
**Author:** ![Bronson\_Hughes](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bronson_hughes/32/189075_2.png) [@Bronson\_Hughes](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bronson_Hughes)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 3:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/30 "2019-12-30T15:02:23Z")
Your 900 DPS Gila won’t have the scanning capability of a properly configured T3. Your 900 DPS Gila is just fine to use in those sites because you will either need to refit your Gila between scanning and running the site, or use another ship to scan it down. T3s don’t suffer from that limitation. Stratios is probably a much better choice overall TBH; you lose some time clearing the site, but you save time docking to refit\* or swapships. \*_or you save the hassle of carrying a mobile depot and two fits._ ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/31 "2019-12-30T15:04:29Z")
“Eve isn’t fair” And yet, they barred t3s from ded 3 and 4 strictly because people were whining that it was unfair. ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 3:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/32 "2019-12-30T15:05:22Z")
Dude, that’s like an insignificant point. I have sister probes on nearly all my pve ships. It might not scan down a sleeper cache, but it can scan everything else down. ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/33 "2019-12-30T17:13:29Z")
If it’s so insignificant then why are you whining about it so much? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 9:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/34 "2019-12-30T21:41:46Z")
I’d love to see this sustained 900 DPS Gila fit… Unless you are counting heat and using officer modules I don’t see how you are making it. And you still scan slower even if you have sisters probes, you might be able to scan everything down given some time and fiddling with perfect scan skills, but that doesn’t mean that it’s not a cost because of no scanning bonus. ---
**Author:** ![Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wacky_wobbler_wibble/32/171062_2.png) [@Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wacky_Wobbler_Wibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 9:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/35 "2019-12-30T21:51:50Z")
Wow that was a nice personal atatck on everyone. Literally if people report that post, you are going to get banned from the forums. T3’s were abused in DED sites, that is why they were told no, no no and guess what no? Just get over it mate ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 11:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/36 "2019-12-30T23:32:40Z")
The forum is full of hypocrites and people who proudly support things and can’t see how their bias creates a double standard that others can see. I don’t care if I get banned from the game even. People generally treat each other less than human on here. Also, I ain’t whining. I’m literally treating people like how they treat me and if you can’t see it Merin, then you’re one of the people I described above. You disrespect my post by calling it whining because you came in with a bias. I keep responding because you people keep responding. Stop responding and I’d stop as well. Also, if you sit here and tell people to HTFU and generally come off snobish shouting that they’re crying and all sorts of false things, don’t be surprised when people respond in kind or worse. If you don’t like people talking down to you and generally treating you like ■■■■, don’t do it to others. Oh boo hoo, I offended you. Now respond. ---
**Author:** ![Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wacky_wobbler_wibble/32/171062_2.png) [@Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wacky_Wobbler_Wibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 11:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/37 "2019-12-30T23:35:46Z")
Please feel free to continue to be rude, hateful and offensive, that’s up to you. 3,4/10 can be done in any decent fit cruiser and battlecruiser. If you wish to be rude for the sake of being rude, then by all means feel free to do so. ---
**Author:** ![Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zirconium_solkaze/32/173693_2.png) [@Zirconium\_Solkaze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zirconium_Solkaze)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/38 "2019-12-30T23:43:00Z")
I do them in t3 destroyers and the baby mach. They ain’t hard, but it doesn’t make sense to bar t3 cruisers from them. The reasons like because they can scan well or are op aren’t valid reasons for barring them as even my cynabal can scan them down and still do them pretty quickly, and that’s even without an actual tank. It basically boils down to what Bronson said. Eve ain’t fair and these changes were done strictly because people were whining it was unfair. That’s a double standard. ---
**Author:** ![Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wacky_wobbler_wibble/32/171062_2.png) [@Wacky\_Wobbler\_Wibble](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wacky_Wobbler_Wibble)\ **Post date:** [December 30, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/39 "2019-12-30T23:43:56Z")
I do agree with your points when you present them like that, in a calm and reasonable manner. But I think the issue is they felt that T3’s were to OP for those sites. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 29, 2020, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revert-the-changes-to-t3-cruisers-not-being-allowed-in-3-10-and-4-10-ded-sites/208028/40 "2020-03-29T23:44:09Z")
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