# Revised EVE Activities & Careers Chart Project - Work in Progress **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, omega, guide\ **Created:** [March 4, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585 "2021-03-04T04:08:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 15
**Author:** ![Lunatic\_Lover](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lunatic_lover/32/376215_2.png) [@Lunatic\_Lover](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lunatic_Lover)\ **Post date:** [January 19, 2024, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/311 "2024-01-19T20:17:08Z")
This project is amazing! Glad to see it’s being worked on. My only suggestion is perhaps think more about visual contrast. In the version available from opening post, there is something off to it which hurts the visibility and makes it uncomfortable to look. Perhaps background is too light (and should be darker) and text info is grey-alike (should be full white) and plates text sits on is not as dark (so text looks not as bright), but not only that… I can’t give full review of these nuances yet, but I’d say that previous charts didn’t have this problem. Examples: [1](https://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg) [2](https://ia802808.us.archive.org/13/items/EveCareerChart/Eve-Career-Chart.jpg) EDIT: Looks like i’m not only one to notice. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [January 20, 2024, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/312 "2024-01-20T12:22:02Z")
> [@Lunatic\_Lover](#): > > _This project is amazing! Glad to see it’s being worked on._ Thanks for the feedback. I have had a lot of supportive comments since the Community Post article came out and I genuinely appreciate all pf them. > [@](#): > > _My only suggestion is perhaps think more about visual contrast. In the version available from opening post, there is something off to it which hurts the visibility and makes it uncomfortable to look. Perhaps background is too light (and should be darker) and text info is grey-alike (should be full white) and plates text sits on is not as dark (so text looks not as bright), but not only that…_ When I created this chart I spend some time thinking through the look and feel and within this I did think hard about colours and contrast. As a designer I prefer more a flatter, more subtle appearance and I find the contrast okay, and as I mentioned above I have checked with various tools to ensure that it is readable for people with visual disabilities. Having said all this, given the number of people who have mentioned the contrast, I am thinking that I do need to probably have a look at some colour contrast variations. I’m don’t think that I’ll be going quite to full black like the other charts, but I will definitely be making it darker than it is currently. The only catch with this, is that its quite a lot of work so people may have to bear with me a little longer for the first proper release version of the chart. > [@](#): > > _Examples: [1](https://tagn.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/eve-what-to-do.jpg)_ Thanks for this. @Altrue had mentioned to me that his chart was the second version of the chart but until I saw this link I’d never seen the original version before. I’m sure that you’ve seen the whole post on the TAGN blog but for other’s who it’s here: [What to do in EVE Online: A Summary - 15.07.2012](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2012/07/15/what-to-do-in-eve-online-a-summary). 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [January 22, 2024, 6:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/313 "2024-01-22T18:09:19Z")
I’ve just been awarded the ‘_Famous Link_’ badge which I’m quite chuffed about, mostly because it means that loads of pilots have clicked on the links to download the chart. Yay! . ![Screenshot 2024-01-22 at 6.03.26 pm](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/e/c/a/ecafdd82e6a4de5facf347bc1099dcc4c365c590.png) 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![NoName\_Audanie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noname_audanie/32/469783_2.png) [@NoName\_Audanie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/NoName_Audanie)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/314 "2024-02-05T17:40:44Z")
![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/4/c/b/4cbfd55b6d445521a8bb369798be5242fff74f80.png) Abyss have tiers from 0 to 6. Also abyss havent any salvage and missions ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [February 14, 2024, 4:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/315 "2024-02-14T16:38:45Z")
would be funny if they did add a salvage version ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/316 "2024-03-05T19:39:36Z")
I’ve been working on the chart a lot recently and thinking through all the changes that need to be made, as well as how I might make a much better interactive version for online web viewing. From a design perspective, I am still committed to two key things: 1. There will be a super high-quality, high-resolution version which will be printable on an [ISO 216](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_216) paper size so that pilots who want it, can easily get a poster version to stick on their wall. (_This might be something that I can organise at a really low [non-profit] cost as well, through industry contacts, so I’m looking into this_) 2. The interactive version of the chart will have clickable hyperlinks (_which can be updated and revised as necessary_) so that it can direct pilots (_both rookies and veterans_) towards good online resources for most if not all activities. Based on this I’m currently exploring how I might change the hidden background architecture and structure of the chart, to both significantly reduce file size and make future updates much, much easier. At the moment the process of updating the chart both from a design perspective and in terms of the actual content is quite fiddly. The chart _looks_ great but there are a lot of layers and complexity and the lack of a straightforward hyperlinking method in Adobe Illustrator means that I have to use both this _and_ Adobe InDesign to get to the final end product, which is _very_ time-consuming. I think I have found a solution, and it will improve the chart and speed up the production process but it will initially take some time to fully deploy, which I am really sorry about. Having said this, a key part of the reason for the time it’s taken so far is because I just don’t like the idea of releasing anything less than perfect for the final and proper public release version of the chart. Long story cut short, I’m _not_ now going to have a full-on and final version in the first quarter of the year as I’d been aiming to do. I am gutted about this and I know that some people will be understandably frustrated, but I hope in the end it will be really worth it. For what it’s worth, so far there have been, as far as I can tell, 2,386 unique downloads of the Beta PDFs of the chart since the plug that I got on the Community Beat in January, so I know there is _definitely_ a demand for a chart of activity prompts. Assuming that just half of those people check the chart once a week for ideas on what to do in the game, then this translates into an effective 62,036 clicks per year. The point I’m making here is really that given the demand, and the fact that it’s a really important chart, I want to make sure that the EVE audience gets something, really good. I hope this all makes some sense (_I’m a bit knackered as I write this!_). Either way, I really do appreciate all the support that I’ve had so far from too many people to name here and I will post an update on progress as soon as I can. Thanks. 🚀 **Addendum:** The complications of infographic design – one super fiddly thing has been to find a way of creating nested radius corner boxes with an even gap all round. I’ve tracked down the math for this (_I have a learning disability that means math is really hard for me and I’m no mathematician, but if you’re interested, the formula is [**outer** radius - **gap** distance = **inner** radius]_ ). To speed things up somewhat I’ve now written a small Applescript to do the calculation quickly. The career card/activity boxes will look clean and elegant on the final chart but I suspect hardly anyone using it will be conscious of the effort that went into this small detail. Ho hum. Onwards and upwards … ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/317 "2024-03-06T04:15:44Z")
You are still working on this? ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/318 "2024-03-06T19:02:58Z")
Sounds great, keep up the good work. Hope you find the time to complete it asap, New Eden is counting on you… ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2024, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/319 "2024-06-03T21:21:11Z")
**Small Update:** I’ve had some family stuff that I’ve had to deal with recently (_tragedy type stuff but I’m okay now_) which has meant it was hard to prioritise the chart for a while but I’m now getting seriously back into it. It was, initially, very fiddly trying to come up with a simple design architecture but I think I may now have cracked it (via playing around with layers and EPSs and all that kind of stuff in Adobe Illustrator and InDesign) and I’m now starting to make reasonable progress. My apologies for the delay, but hopefully when it comes out it’ll be worth waiting for. Having said this, It’s pretty gratifying to see that there have been, so far, thousands of downloads of the Beta version (so there’s clearly a demand). However not much additional feedback as yet. If you have downloaded it and you have constructive criticism, do feed this back please. 🚀 _ **As a postscript to this message:** the Venn diagram about graphic design and the good/fast/cheap paradigm is not lost on me when I work on a complex project like this._ ![Good Fast Cheap Venn Diagram](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/2/7/327ff8da8930559580d10a576b3f485b2f8a4871.jpeg) _My aim from the start has always been to produce something that is distinctly **good** , which of course isn’t necessarily **cheap** or **fast**. I’m fitting the project around other (paid) design work, and because it’s going to be free for anyone in the EVE community who wants it, sometimes the paid work has to take a priority (not least of all because I need to pay my rent!). I hope this goes someway to clarifying why the project isn’t just being banged out in a matter of days._ ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 8:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/320 "2024-06-04T08:00:28Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > _I need to pay my rent!_ I’ve heard you can live rent free in people’s heads, maybe you could do that with one of the naysayers’ heads from this very thread… or maybe you already do that without even you realizing it? 🤔 🤭 😏 😊 ---
**Author:** ![Harmonia\_Blissel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/harmonia_blissel/32/420943_2.png) [@Harmonia\_Blissel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Harmonia_Blissel)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 9:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/321 "2024-06-04T09:19:51Z")
@Mu_ad_Diib The chart is great. It looks just about finished. You been doing a bang up job. I hope CCP endorses it and give you a few fully-fitted t3 ships for your efforts. I know you’re doing it because you’re passionate but you deserve something to show for your efforts. It makes me proud to see how dedicated and studious Gallente capsuleers can be. You won’t find any Caldari filth able to do something like that! Gallente Forever! ✊ ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2024, 10:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/322 "2024-06-04T22:45:09Z")
> [@Harmonia\_Blissel](#): > > The chart is great. It looks just about finished. You been doing a bang up job. Getting positive feedback from rank and file pilots like you really helps to keep me motivated, so thank you for this. Genuinely appreciated. > [@](#): > > I hope CCP endorses it and give you a few fully-fitted t3 ships for your efforts. > I know you’re doing it because you’re passionate but you deserve something to show for your efforts. I’d _never_ want to say no to a free [Tengu](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tengu) or a [Proteus](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Proteus) because it’s just _possible_ that someone from CCP _might_ be reading this and _might_ suddenly feel very generous, but to be honest, I can’t see this happening anytime soon (_LOL_) but that really _is_ okay. I’ve now played EVE Online for over 16 years. I’ve made friends, gone to meet-ups had some amazing experiences and I can’t imagine my life without the game in it. Community is the thing that keeps me here, and because I _know_ the chart will be useful to a lot of pilots in New Eden (_rookies, newbies and even some veterans_), I’m going to work it either way. But yeah, if you do happen to be reading this @CCP_Hellmar, and you want to make my day … well, you know where I iive … LOL > [@](#): > > It makes me proud to see how dedicated and studious Gallente capsuleers can be. > You won’t find any Caldari filth able to do something like that! Woah! Whilst I know that you _were_ probably joking, sometimes it’s good to vocalise things, so … I know some lovely people in the game who are Caldari, and I know some awful people who are Gallente, and the same does for all of the races. The truth is there’s good and bad all over New Eden and we **all** ought to remember that the best ship in EVE really **is** [The Friendship](https://everef.net/type/34436). Fly safe. 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/323 "2024-06-05T05:42:38Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > [The Friendship](https://everef.net/type/34436) > **[The Champion Ship - EVE Online Reference](https://everef.net/type/44213)** > > In response to claims that the Friend Ship is the best ship in New Eden, the Independent Gaming Commission released this model of a Marshal class CONCORD battleship to affirm the position of the Championship as the best ship in New Eden. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Cloe\_Farseer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cloe_farseer/32/420828_2.png) [@Cloe\_Farseer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cloe_Farseer)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2024, 5:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/324 "2024-06-05T05:46:35Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > Whilst I know that you _were_ probably joking I have a feeling she is not joking, she really does feel that way about “Caldari filth and Minmatar trash”… but don’t let it alarm you, I’m sure she’s roleplaying 🙂 And your work is awesome! I really like the tones you chose and the overall design. Hat’s off to you, sir! @CCP_Hellmar That man does deserve a little something for his efforts 🙏 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [June 6, 2024, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/325 "2024-06-06T09:14:14Z")
> [@Cloe\_Farseer](#): > > I have a feeling she is not joking, she really does feel that way about “Caldari filth and Minmatar trash”… but don’t let it alarm you, I’m sure she’s roleplaying 🙂 Yeah, I kinda did know that (_the bit about roleplaying that is …_). Having said this EVE can be a really, really intense game at times and sometimes this really does spill over into hateful attitudes (_not that I was seriously suggesting that @Harmonia_Blissel was genuinely being hateful …_) case in point: [_Rock Paper Shotgun – ‘You will lose both hands’ - How the biggest theft in EVE Online history ended in death threats_](https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/how-eve-online-theft-ended-in-death-threats). Because of this, I thought it was worth, gently, reiterating the fact that we should try to be friendly at the same times as being fierce. > [@Cloe\_Farseer](#): > > And your work is awesome! I really like the tones you chose and the overall design. > Hat’s off to you, sir! Thanks for this, I’m really glad you like it. Like I said earlier, getting positive feedback from rank-and-file players is pretty much all I need to keep me motivated. In terms of the tones used in the chart, for what it’s worth, I think I am going to try to increase the text contrast, slightly, on the next version because there’s been some feedback that for _some_ people it’s _slightly_ hard to read. I want to take this on board because fundamentally I want to make sure that as far as is practical the chart is very accessible. > [@Cloe\_Farseer](#): > > @CCP_Hellmar That man does deserve a little something for his efforts 🙏 Thanks for the sideways plug. To be fair, CCP has been pretty helpful so far with the chart. They gave me a plug in their [Community Beat](https://www.eveonline.com/news/search?q=community%20beat) newsletter on the [5th January](https://www.eveonline.com/news/view/community-beat-for-5-january) this year and downloads grew exponentially after this (_literally into the several thousands overnight_) and so I can’t _really_ complain … having said this, here’s hoping for a [Tengu](https://wiki.eveuniversity.org/Tengu) LOL … 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2024, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/328 "2024-10-16T16:12:18Z")
Bump … Just to keep the thread live while I’m working the revised chart. 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [October 17, 2024, 9:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/329 "2024-10-17T21:14:16Z")
When new players in game ask about what to do, I link this thread. Same as I link ‘[The Plan](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/faction-standing-repair-plan-aka-the-plan/8008)’ when they ask how to fix their standings. Mr Epeen 🕶 ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2024, 8:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/330 "2024-10-23T08:27:31Z")
> [@Mr\_Epeen](#): > > When new players in game ask about what to do, I link this thread. That’s pretty awesome. Thank you. Right now I’m struggling to allocate time a little bit (I have a seriously ill partner), but I will try to redouble my efforts possibly around Christmas because a revision is somewhat urgently needed I think. 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mindahouf_davaham/32/379996_2.png) [@Mindahouf\_Davaham](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mindahouf_Davaham)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2024, 5:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/331 "2024-10-25T17:30:22Z")
How’s the chart coming? ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Epeen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_epeen/32/373308_2.png) [@Mr\_Epeen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Epeen)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2025, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/332 "2025-01-14T17:58:06Z")
Looking forward to a new years update, Mu’ad Diib. Mr Epeen 🕶 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585.md?page=14) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585.md?page=16)