# Revised EVE Activities & Careers Chart Project - Work in Progress **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** alpha, omega, guide\ **Created:** [March 4, 2021, 4:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585 "2021-03-04T04:08:55Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [March 8, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/22 "2021-03-08T01:40:45Z")
> [@Han\_Zealot](#): > > I think it’s supposed to indicate that Mining should be on it. Not sure if _in-progess_ was understood or something completely different. Got it, thanks. \< smiles \> > PS: put Mining right smack in the middle with lines connecting to all the others 🤭 I have no intention of doing that! LOL Although I’m _mostly_ a miner in EVE, in terms of the design of this chart, I’ll be 100% objective. All play styles that exist, _irrespective_ of my personal interests one way or another, will be treated equally. Mining _is_ a legitimate career path, but one that is no more, or less, important than any other one.¹ > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > The ESS is new, and ccp does try to promote it a bit, so why not add it … What I found missing from the old wtd pic is NPSI fleets, which I think do deserve a spot, for casual pvp (bombers bar, spectre fleet, etc…) Useful (_although I don’t know much about ESS because I’m not a null sec’er_). I did find the following info online … [What is an ESS?](https://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/49s6i0/what_is_an_ess) [More Deployables From Super Friends](https://www.eveonline.com/article/more-deployables-from-super-friends) [Encounter Surveillance System Update](https://www.eveonline.com/article/qj0z3t/encounter-surveillance-system-update) [Robbing Some Space Banks](https://tagn.wordpress.com/2020/11/13/robbing-some-space-banks) Could you possibly post a diagram (_maybe use the existing chart, saved as a PDF and write onto it as a note?_) of where you see ESS (_and any appropriate career titles - bank robber?_) fitting in please? > Good luck with the chart, will look great !! Thanks! 🚀 **1**. I did know that you were joking by the way @Han_Zealot you little minx, I just didn’t want the possibility to creep in of people thinking I might be biased in my approach to the design because of my personal career choices. \< grins \> ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2021, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/23 "2021-03-09T02:48:16Z")
My drawing skills are abysmal. I would put the ESS block on the PVP/Piracy part. Title: BANK ROBBING. Text: Locate a rich ESS, steal from the Main Bank and avoid the angry owners. p.s. I was wrong about the public fleets, they are mentioned on the '16 chart. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 4:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/24 "2021-03-13T04:47:39Z")
> [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > My drawing skills are abysmal. > I would put the ESS block on the PVP/Piracy part. > Title: BANK ROBBING. > Text: Locate a rich ESS, steal from the Main Bank and avoid the angry owners. I’ve created the box that you suggested @Wadiest_Yong and it’s in the latest update at the top. I slightly amended your text to bring the style into line with the rest of the boxes. Let me know if you like it. 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 7:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/26 "2021-03-13T07:09:29Z")
only one bump in a 24 hour period… not 2 hr lol. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2021, 5:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/27 "2021-03-13T17:06:16Z")
all guud 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Sara\_Seraph](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sara_seraph/32/495525_2.png) [@Sara\_Seraph](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sara_Seraph)\ **Post date:** [March 14, 2021, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/28 "2021-03-14T20:47:45Z")
Make a more defined border between the various groupings, such as PvE, RPG, and Journalism. Also, add to journalism, an in-game and and out-of-game section. Also, include the option for joining ISD volunteers. I like the addition of the Alpha and Omega icons. New players can concentrate on the alpha blocks initially, and dream of the future looking at the Omegas. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2021, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/29 "2021-06-12T20:48:27Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/30 "2021-06-18T02:15:39Z")
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**Author:** ![MB\_ThePhotographer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mb_thephotographer/32/373722_2.png) [@MB\_ThePhotographer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MB_ThePhotographer)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 2:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/31 "2021-06-18T02:28:10Z")
OK, how did this get reopened? ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 4:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/32 "2021-06-18T04:16:10Z")
OP asked politely. So it was reopened. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 6:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/33 "2021-06-18T06:30:41Z")
> [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](#): > > OP asked politely. So it was reopened ❤ That’s nice of you. It’s about a work in progress so I feel the thread should not have been closed - even though my feelings have no bearing in these forum whatsoever - so thank you. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > **1** - I picked up on the entirely correct point made by @Han_Zealot about the logicality of the colour order of the technical difficulty epaulette indicators _(top left hand side of boxes)_. Nice, Bravo. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > I’m leaning towards **not** having a keyline when there’s no colour present because it looks a bit cleaner. However when there’s just one out of three indicators present I wonder if it looks a bit lost and lonely? It would look less lonely with some shading inside the indicator, a grey gradient maybe or a thicker contour line? > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > My thought on this was that although currently there are Omega icons on the chart to indicate things that cannot be accessed by Alpha accounts, should the chart be aiming to be slightly more inclusive _(welcoming?)_ by suggesting things for new pilots that are fun and that help build the player community, thus also helping with player retention? That’s a nice thought. I think yes, you should. > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > Thanks again for the feedback so far from everyone. You’re all awesome. You’re welcome! > [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > Hopefully when the project is finished people will like the chart and find it useful. It’s going to look neat. Thank you for this effort ❤ ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/34 "2021-06-18T06:53:27Z")
> [@Han\_Zealot](#): > > I feel the thread should not have been closed 3 months with zero activity = automatic closure. ---
**Author:** ![Lara\_Agnon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lara_agnon/32/377122_2.png) [@Lara\_Agnon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lara_Agnon)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 7:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/35 "2021-06-18T07:27:34Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > My thought on this was that although currently there are Omega icons on the chart to indicate things that cannot be accessed by Alpha accounts, should the chart be aiming to be slightly more inclusive _(welcoming?)_ by suggesting things for new pilots that are fun and that help build the player community, thus also helping with player retention? Please don’t mix Alpha/Omega with New/Old player There are activities for omega rookies just as well as activities for alpha veterans incursions and bank robbery for example ---
**Author:** ![Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/long_tall_sallie/32/265995_2.png) [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Long_Tall_Sallie)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/36 "2021-06-18T17:58:41Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > 3 months with zero activity = automatic closure. I’m pretty sure Han knows the forum rules. ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 18, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/37 "2021-06-18T20:24:48Z")
> [@Long\_Tall\_Sallie](#): > > I’m pretty sure Han knows the forum rules. ❤ … ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 19, 2021, 10:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/38 "2021-06-19T10:42:45Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Please don’t mix Alpha/Omega with New/Old player > > There are activities for omega rookies just as well as activities for alpha veterans > > incursions and bank robbery for example I am aware that there are old Alpha accounts out there. He mentioned inclusiveness and player retention so I agreed with him based on those two aspects but you’re right about what you posted. Anyways, he’s asking for opinions, not guidance. Let’s wait and see what he comes up with. ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 6:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/39 "2021-06-22T06:02:10Z")
Apologies for not having posted any Revised Eve Career Chart progress updates for ages. The pressure of RL\* (_including some Coronavirus stuff_) has sadly meant that I haven’t really been able to focus on it for a while, but I’m now about to start working on it again and hopeful get it on the way to being finished. I think it’ll be worth it in the end because essentially I’m redrawing the chart in Adobe Illustrator which will mean that the finished file will be layered, editable and importantly vectorised so that it will be possible to enlarge it without any quality drop off. I have got a lot done, but there is still a fair bit of work to do. I’ve had some excellent feedback from @Sara_Seraph, @Han_Zealot and @Wadiest_Yong (_thanks guys_) which I’m going to try to add into the chart. I would appreciate some input from pilots on the subject of the Encounter Surveillance System please. @Wadiest_Yong suggested it’s inclusion which is a good call however I don’t really know that much it so I’d welcome input on the following. Below is the card for ESS. ![Bank Robbery](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/7/a/77aa471ddc5a7233c73fa531c11f2c318c39410c.jpeg) Each career card on the chart has two sets of shoulder chevrons. The left hand chevrons indicate the difficulty level (green = easy, red = hard). The right hand chevrons indicate how much ISK you’ll need to make it successful (one = cheap, three = expensive). Can someone give me a steer on what the grading for each of these should be on this card please? Thanks! 🚀 PS: A notable thanks also goes to @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode for graciously reopening this thread when I asked. It had shut down because of my inaction but they re-opened it for me. I didn’t really want to place info on the project progress elsewhere either so this was super helpful. You’re a total star Dorrim, thanks! ---
**Author:** ![Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mu_ad_diib/32/389247_2.png) [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mu_ad_Diib)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 6:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/40 "2021-06-22T06:27:53Z")
> [@Lara\_Agnon](#): > > Please don’t mix Alpha/Omega with New/Old player … There are activities for omega rookies just as well as activities for alpha veterans … > [@Han\_Zealot](#): > > I am aware that there are old Alpha accounts out there. > He mentioned inclusiveness and player retention so I agreed with him based on those two aspects but you’re right about what you posted … Thanks for the feedback @Lara_Agnon, @Han_Zealot, very useful stuff. My thought was that since there isn’t enough space on the career cards to have both Alpha and Omega monograms on them (_and at this stage, because I’ve done a lot of the work, I don’t want to start redesigning them_) and since I was going to write some guidance notes on the chart anyway, I’d pick up on this aspect in the notes. There are three variants of the career cards that I’m using on the chart: an Alpha Card, an Omega card and a blank card (_see below, this is dummy text by the way so ignore that_) ![Variants Example](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/6/5/1/651f9d7614c6993fc70b3e09d3a5c9e817c0b8a7.jpeg) My thinking was that for activities that are _restricted_ to Omega accounts (_for example PI_) I’d use a card with an Omega monogram. For activities that are _not_ limited (_for example posting to the forums_) I’d use a blank card and for activities that are aimed at rookies and/or Alphas then I’d use a card with an Alpha monogram. My logic here is to _try_ to point rookie players (_whatever account they might have_) towards things that are fun and easy’ish to start on. This will hopefully enable them to get into the game without falling badly at the first metaphorical fence, which, in turn, might help with new player retention and come across as slightly more inclusive and welcoming. Does that make sense? 🚀 ---
**Author:** ![Han\_Zealot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/han_zealot/32/300893_2.png) [@Han\_Zealot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Han_Zealot)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 7:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/41 "2021-06-22T07:03:25Z")
> [@Mu\_ad\_Diib](#): > > Does that make sense? Makes perfect sense to me. I think you know exactly what you want and what you’re doing. In the end, our input would’ve just been to clear up a few details and the odd esthetic issue. Can’t wait to see it finished and polished but take your time, no deadline has been set 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Katya\_Itzimaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/katya_itzimaru/32/512123_2.png) [@Katya\_Itzimaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Katya_Itzimaru)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2021, 7:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585/42 "2021-06-22T07:20:43Z")
It looks like you’re preparing the visual design at the moment mostly, have you got an excel file or similar listing all the different career boxes to see what gaps need filling? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/revised-eve-activities-careers-chart-project-work-in-progress/298585.md?page=3)