# Risk vs Reward ninja mining **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 8, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434 "2019-09-08T00:30:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/384 "2019-09-10T20:59:26Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > So you agree with the previous poster that ganking, ninjamining or any other criminal activity is easier than ratting? Or any other form of krabbing? You might want to add who it is you are replying to in your post - I certainly never said anything like your comment implies and neither did the poster before me. ---
**Author:** ![baloney](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baloney/32/157031_2.png) [@baloney](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/baloney)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/385 "2019-09-10T21:00:19Z")
> [@Ranar\_Linyne](#): > > /Thread Wrong. This thread will never die ---
**Author:** ![Ranar\_Linyne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ranar_linyne/32/378478_2.png) [@Ranar\_Linyne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ranar_Linyne)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/386 "2019-09-10T21:01:24Z")
> [@baloney](#): > > This thread will never die Maybe, but it should. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/387 "2019-09-10T21:02:36Z")
So then you dont agree? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/388 "2019-09-10T21:04:15Z")
LOL I love it when people talk about stuff they have never done. Do you really think highsec moon mining is profitable enough to throw isk at ganking ninja miners? Also, that would make the owners of the Athanor just as bad as those they are ganking - Ahh the complexities of highsec life.,. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/389 "2019-09-10T21:05:30Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Do you really think highsec moon mining is profitable enough to throw isk at ganking ninja miners? I have no idea thats why I ask questions of people who say they do. Its a way of learning about something. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Also, that would make the owners of the Athanor just as bad as those they are ganking Bad in what way? Of low moral fibre? ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/390 "2019-09-10T21:22:42Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > Bad in what way? Of low moral fibre? Ok if you’ve EVER read any of my posts over the years, you would know i am no fan of ganking, although i do believe it has a place in the game. I would never actively encourage someone into ganking to protect something they have built. - If someone breaks into my house and i beat him up I am unlikely to get a prison sentence (unless i go overboard). Someone comes to take ore my structure has produced, all I want is to be able to get rid of him without risk of legal intervention (Concord) The whole problem with highsec moon mining is, there is no way to protect what you produce WITHOUT committing “criminal acts” - Lowsec, nulsec even wormholes - You can without repercussions protect “your” moons - In highsec you can’t because the “I want what you made” crowd want it for free.,. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/391 "2019-09-10T21:46:14Z")
Ok so you have a moral opinion on it. I cant say I agree but thats freedom for ya. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2019, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/392 "2019-09-10T21:55:09Z")
Damn it, now I’m scared. You just let me have one 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 12:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/393 "2019-09-11T00:02:48Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Do you really think highsec moon mining is profitable enough to throw isk at ganking ninja miners? They do in Sakhti. Even popped Orcas on their moon. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2019, 12:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/394 "2019-09-11T00:04:29Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > The whole problem with highsec moon mining is, there is no way to protect what you produce WITHOUT committing “criminal acts” Do you have trouble reading? Several counterplays have been posted, but you’re ignoring them… probably because it breaks your _nArRaTiVe_. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/395 "2019-09-12T02:18:58Z")
You’ll need to be a little more specific. 1. Sakhti, going back as far as January this year I don’t see one Orca loss/kill related to moon mining. We have 1 that was lost to NPC’s in February, One ganked in August that seems to have been mining Gneiss, so NOT moon mining. Aside from those two non moon mining related Orca losses, there is a lot of Ganks and not much else. 2. Mind elaborating ? Must have missed those posts. All I kept seeing was a lot of - Stop whining moons are free, find something else to do, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/396 "2019-09-12T06:24:15Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > See now that’s funny, the ONLY ones whining and crying in this thread are those who want to reap the benefits of someone else’s work without repercussion. That has been part of EVE since day one. You build something up, and I sneak in and rob you blind. All your hard work…poof. The really clever one’s get other players to hand over their ■■■■ then “poof”. Are we even playing the same game? > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > I’m not hopeful CCP will even bother re-looking at highsec moon mining (or moon mining in general, it is currently BROKEN), they haven’t been able to complete one task in years that didn’t create issues down the line (despite numerous well written threads, articles, round tables, etc from players) - Highsec moon mining is likely never to be a priority.,. My goodness…you sure do let the perfect be the enemy of the good don’t you? Next thing we know you’ll be pining for Sov that was based on POS’ on moons. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > How did we get from ninja miners to gankers? It is an EVE Online variation of Godwin’s Law: All threads on the EVE O Forums must devolve into discussions of ganking. 😛 > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Please insert another coin to continue looking like a numpty. It’s amusing, I actually blocked Anderson and now I see your responses, but the original comment. So much better. Also, I think Anderson is using alts to get posts hidden. Anderson really is working on being the worst poster on the forums…going to beat out Lucas soon. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/397 "2019-09-12T06:28:50Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > Next thing we know you’ll be pining for Sov that was based on POS’ on moons. Honestly, if it would get rid of sov wands and 7 days to kill structures - Yes give me pos bashing any day. ---
**Author:** ![Teckos\_Pech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/teckos_pech/32/375283_2.png) [@Teckos\_Pech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Teckos_Pech)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/398 "2019-09-12T06:29:34Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Honestly, if it would get rid of sov wands and 7 days to kill structures - Yes give me pos bashing any day. I think you forget out awful that was…not to say that the current system is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/399 "2019-09-12T06:36:09Z")
I haven’t forgotten how god awful it was, I just think ANYTHING has to be better than sov wanding. Current sov sucks, it is nothing but grindy, shite mechanics with stupid timers that are enough to drive a madman mad. It takes longer to kill an iHub with a sov wand than it ever did to kill one with guns and with sov wands there is little to no chance of a fight. At least when we could actually shoot the damned things there was a chance of a fight, now you just spend your time chasing of T1 destroyers that want to wand your stuff - So much fun - NOT. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/400 "2019-09-12T06:58:58Z")
> [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Sakhti, going back as far as January this year I don’t see one Orca loss/kill related to moon mining. We have 1 that was lost to NPC’s in February, One ganked in August that seems to have been mining Gneiss, so NOT moon mining. Reread the killmail: [Orca | Zet Clichkov | Killmail | zKillboard](https://zkillboard.com/kill/78361133/) It even says right on it that it was at a moon. And “Brilliant Gneiss” is only found **from moon mining**. Jesus Christ… > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Aside from those two non moon mining related Orca losses, there is a lot of Ganks and not much else. … at moons. > [@Sgt\_Ocker](#): > > Mind elaborating ? > [@Xuixien](#): > > - WarDec them if they’re eligible > - Suicide gank them if you have the numbers/they’re in paper barges > - Failing the first 3, just bump them. An SFI with a 500mn MWD is cheap and quite effect. Procurers and Skiffs go flying. Miners get annoyed very quickly and will leave. > - Failing all that, only pull what you can mine before others do. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/401 "2019-09-12T07:06:33Z")
> [@Teckos\_Pech](#): > > It’s amusing, I actually blocked Anderson Please please tell me how to block people on the forums. I’ve been looking for the option all over. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/402 "2019-09-12T07:48:56Z")
Here ya go. > [@Risk vs Reward ninja mining](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/256): > > Click you avatar at top right… Click the gear icon… Click preferences… Select users… Add person to ignore… Hope that helps make your stay here more enjoyable… ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 12, 2019, 7:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/403 "2019-09-12T07:50:56Z")
omg thank you. I can’t believe I missed that post. My time on the forums is about to become a lot more enjoyable. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434.md?page=20)