# Risk vs Reward ninja mining **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [September 8, 2019, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434 "2019-09-08T00:30:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 6:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/92 "2019-09-08T18:03:56Z")
and the strucure owner can also be ganked and bumped. Stop denying the lack of risk. ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Math](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/complex_math/32/378387_2.png) [@Complex\_Math](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Complex_Math)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/94 "2019-09-08T18:08:34Z")
There is little risk for the ninja harvesters- I agree with that statement. But that situation was created by the OP and all the other people who choose to build their drill in high sec. The mechanic is simple, build your drill in high sec and your reward may be reduced- choose to build in low sec and keep more of your reward. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 6:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/97 "2019-09-08T18:53:56Z")
> [@Complex\_Math](#): > > But that situation was created by the OP and all the other people who choose to build their drill in high sec. No it’s created by the design of the game. Again you are off topic when talking about low sec. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 6:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/99 "2019-09-08T18:58:50Z")
Ah, another thread that validates the old saying that you should be careful what you wish for, you might just get it. I can all but guarantee that suspect flags for ninja mining would backfire on the people calling for it, in the most hilarious manner possible. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 6:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/100 "2019-09-08T18:59:23Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I can all but guarantee that suspect flags for ninja mining would backfire on the people calling for it, in the most hilarious manner possible. How so ? ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/101 "2019-09-08T19:02:33Z")
It’s literally the stuff of memes. The circle has closed. They’ve left themselves no recourse. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/102 "2019-09-08T19:03:07Z")
Historically 90% of the changes that have come about because of the demands of those that don’t like the nefarious types in Eve have gone hideously wrong, for the people that demanded such change in the first place. Think about that, and please stop trying to appear clever in a language that you clearly have problems comprehending. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/103 "2019-09-08T19:03:53Z")
So I repeat : how so ? So far you failed to give a proper explanation. You just gave random numbers not backed by any information. So I do the same with you : 99% of your post are made up nonsense containing 0% clever argument. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/104 "2019-09-08T19:05:20Z")
Crimewatch was a content creators wet dream. Also I saw someone lose a Daredevil to CONCORD webbing their Orca into warp. WOOPS ---
**Author:** ![Complex\_Math](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/complex_math/32/378387_2.png) [@Complex\_Math](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Complex_Math)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/105 "2019-09-08T19:25:13Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > No it’s created by the design of the game. Again you are off topic when talking about low sec. I agree with you, the overall risk/reward is created by the design of the game. My comment on low-sec is used to offer an alternative to building the drill in high sec. The game mechanics seem to be functioning as intended in this area, a change to the game mechanics is not needed here. The OP might want to consider placing their drill in a different place- if they don’t like the game mechanics of high sec. My guess many people like the FREE security provided by CONCORD in high sec, and they will continue to build their drill in high sec, even though a few ninja miners might take some of their asteroids. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/106 "2019-09-08T19:26:53Z")
Exactly. Ninja miners are just the cost of doing business under the umbrella of CONCORD. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/107 "2019-09-08T19:33:26Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > So I repeat : how so ? > > So far you failed to give a proper explanation. > > You just gave random numbers not backed by any information. Most of the changes I’m talking about were long before your time, I suggest you do a little research into crimewatch 2.0, the removal of insurance for gankers and the consequences thereof. > So I do the same with you : 99% of your post are made up nonsense containing 0% clever argument. Yet they’re still 100% better than your posts, unlike you I’m not trying to be clever in a foreign language; I know my limits. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/111 "2019-09-08T19:50:44Z")
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**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/112 "2019-09-08T19:50:52Z")
Removed some off topic posts. Keep it on topic and civil. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_dorrim_barstorlode/32/361083_2.png) [@ISD\_Dorrim\_Barstorlode](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/113 "2019-09-08T19:57:27Z")
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**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/114 "2019-09-08T20:00:05Z")
Wow, was my post really _that_ bad? Sorry. 😕 ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 8:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/115 "2019-09-08T20:08:08Z")
The only ones who are going to be harmed by suspect flags, are … … the ones who shoot suspect rookies, who inevitably will fall to a suspect baiter. … the rookies. Anyhow … downloading the client. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 8:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/116 "2019-09-08T20:29:41Z")
We shouldn’t need to point out the blindingly obvious. But, hey ho. ---
**Author:** ![Sgt\_Ocker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sgt_ocker/32/270881_2.png) [@Sgt\_Ocker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sgt_Ocker)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/117 "2019-09-08T20:58:14Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > But you want the game to defend it for you b/c you don’t have the manpower to rake in all the money or defend it from others who try. So we should get CCP to remove criminal timers from those who steal another players loot too. That loot was generated by the owner and has the protection of a game mechanic. Highsec moon mining has no such protection - Even if you have a 200 man fleet online when it pops, you can’t shoot ninja miners - Without getting concorded. Suggestion, when a moon pops it belongs to the corp that popped it, for the first 12 hours. Anyone not blue to the Athanor and mining is a legitimate target for the owners for that time. After that, whatever is left is free game for anyone who wants it.,. This would give those who have put in the effort of setting up and looking after a moon a reasonable expectation of a return on their investment. Ninja miners (funny even the name says, I’m doing bad) should face “some” risk while stealing from others. Wow, I just realised - All these highseccers yelling at the top of their voices how safe nulsec is - Want risk free stealing from other players moons. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2019, 9:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434/118 "2019-09-08T21:10:50Z")
The _contents_ of the wreck belong to the person who created the wreck. The wreck itself is public and free to be salvaged. Just like asteroids. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/risk-vs-reward-ninja-mining/188434.md?page=6)