# Rolling Thunder - New Update on 22 Sep **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official\ **Created:** [September 16, 2020, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364 "2020-09-16T15:54:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/101 "2020-09-20T00:12:42Z")
It could be worse, the vortron guns could target missiles, scan probes, corpses, etc - in addition to drones. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 12:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/102 "2020-09-20T00:30:28Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > target missiles, scan probes, corpses, etc Hey. That might give them a use to firewall a friendly ship from missiles. Minimise damage, take a vorton hit to avoid entire missile salvos. Which… About says how bad they are that would be an upside. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 12:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/103 "2020-09-20T00:40:30Z")
“Now introducing Vortron Projectors - almost as good as defender missiles!” ---
**Author:** ![Earnest\_Emu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/earnest_emu/32/380843_2.png) [@Earnest\_Emu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Earnest_Emu)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/104 "2020-09-20T02:50:54Z")
So can I get 90% of the LP back I wasted on the edencom store ? ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/105 "2020-09-20T03:18:30Z")
In case you don’t know, based on average market pricing, buying skillbooks on demand is more than flying out and picking up a book… i don’t recall the exact percentage that its higher, but it is. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/106 "2020-09-20T03:23:34Z")
That is for skills that are supplied directly from NPC schools. ---
**Author:** ![Syfa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/syfa/32/311121_2.png) [@Syfa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Syfa)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 3:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/107 "2020-09-20T03:26:03Z")
> [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](#): > > In case you don’t know, based on average market pricing, buying skillbooks on demand is more than flying out and picking up a book… That isn’t relevant in this case because the only place the skillbooks _are_ seeded is to the character sheet. Any other place you’re seeing them is a holdover from log-in bonuses IIRC so they are subject to extreme gouging there. > [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > So except for the important skills you mean. You can blame CCP for that one. The cost of the skillbooks is largely bound up in rare holographic loot drops. Done intentionally to avoid quick propogation as ships of the line if they’re even slightly out of balance on the overpowered side. ---
**Author:** ![Blaspheme\_Nazareth](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/blaspheme_nazareth/32/278974_2.png) [@Blaspheme\_Nazareth](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Blaspheme_Nazareth)\ **Post date:** [September 20, 2020, 5:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/108 "2020-09-20T05:07:43Z")
They are great tanks, but no damage. They need a fleet with them. ---
**Author:** ![Biwako\_Acami](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biwako_acami/32/404558_2.png) [@Biwako\_Acami](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Biwako_Acami)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 5:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/109 "2020-09-22T05:26:05Z")
A bit late for this update. Here’s the thing I made. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/1/a16ef5454f68e2fe8abaf990fe033394a5b42df6.png) Taking a Skybreaker with T2 Small Vorton Projector and 3x Vorton Tuning System II and comparing that against Kestrel with T2 Missiles and 2x Ballistic Control System. Things to keep in mind: - Skybreaker damage scales with number of targets so this is just damage on first ship hit. - We’re ignoring projection just to compare damage application to the target at speed. - Kestrel can up damage with rigs which I haven’t included in this comparison. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/2/4/240b1a3af37ba4d2e86d8ff67da3a33d49711c7c.png) ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/110 "2020-09-22T15:08:00Z")
> [@xxxPainXXX](#): > > lol yeh, EDENCOM is a response to invasions yet we can’t use edencom ships to fight invasions Well knowing CCP, it’s working as intended ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/111 "2020-09-22T15:37:24Z")
🔴 > **[A4E - Structure history 'Amarr VIII (Oris) - Emperor Family Academy'](https://www.adam4eve.eu/structure_history.php?id=60008494)** Amarr is thriving. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 3:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/112 "2020-09-22T15:53:18Z")
It will be bigger than Sakht in another year or two! ---
**Author:** ![Dragos\_Highwind](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dragos_highwind/32/170517_2.png) [@Dragos\_Highwind](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dragos_Highwind)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2020, 5:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/113 "2020-09-22T17:12:42Z")
The big thing here that most people would say is “it’s intended to hit 3+ targets so that damage isn’t accurate.” Sadly you’re looking at these scenarios then: - You’re shooting 3 ships, but either will die because it’s 3 vs 1 or they’ll run away because you can’t tackle them. - You’ve got a tackle with you, and you’re hitting your own tackle too. - Those additional hits are drones, which you wouldn’t be shooting in the first place. - You’re in a group, which you’d be better off with focus fired ships breaking select targets. The problem with Edencom is the same as the problem with Trigs, just in reverse. A trig ship is OP in a 1 v 1 fight because it’s designed for that engagement. In a fight were it can’t ramp up (because of range, targets not living long enough, etc) it’s subpar. Conversely Edencom is crap at small engagements because it’s AoE isn’t utilized. However, if they make it as AoE deadly as it should be it’ll be OP as hell in big fleet fights, so they gave it a dull edge. That just makes it crap in both fights, and not a problem you can fix without making it meta changing. ---
**Author:** ![Verzak\_Bastrom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verzak_bastrom/32/245068_2.png) [@Verzak\_Bastrom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verzak_Bastrom)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 11:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/114 "2020-09-23T11:48:27Z")
The battle report seems wrong, Romantic Exorcist is a Bjorn Bee account. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 23, 2020, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/115 "2020-09-23T23:34:46Z")
@Verzak_Bastrom Here’s another report from that same roam with BjornBee fc’ing, with the second needlejack, at [Oasa](https://zkillboard.com/related/30003240/202009151800/o/%7B%22A%22%3A%5B%2299006343%22%2C%2299010249%22%2C%2298594176%22%2C%2298481326%22%5D%2C%22B%22%3A%5B%221000006%22%5D%7D/) after some cleaning up. The twitch stream of that GM week event can be found at [GM & ISD roam](https://www.twitch.tv/videos/741888472) They fared better in Oasa than in Delve (surprise surprise 😜) but as one participant said “the only things these ships shoot is good vibes” 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/116 "2020-09-24T08:04:16Z")
> [@Vloden](#): > > I don’t understand at all why you do this supposition, pve is pve, high sec is high sec, no one should be allowed to say high sec is meant for pve. He’s saying CCP markets them as being for attacking the Triglavian menace. The NPC Trigs, that is. ---
**Author:** ![Verzak\_Bastrom](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/verzak_bastrom/32/245068_2.png) [@Verzak\_Bastrom](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Verzak_Bastrom)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2020, 5:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/117 "2020-09-24T17:18:16Z")
Thanks man. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Hessian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_hessian/32/383402_2.png) [@Dark\_Hessian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Hessian)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/118 "2020-09-28T00:31:46Z")
i think it was intentional as the changes don’t address the issues with the Edencom Fails much at all. The lp cost was high but the needed materials to exchange for the bpc or skills is extremely limiting, Where are the t1 basic skillbooks for the ship and weapons? When will the Fails stop being based on missiles which are junk for doing most things? A bs that has the dps of a cruiser is junk. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [December 27, 2020, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rolling-thunder-new-update-on-22-sep/267364/119 "2020-12-27T00:32:04Z")
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