# Rookie NPE crisis unfolding in Gallente space **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Tags:** pve, high-sec\ **Created:** [September 24, 2019, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091 "2019-09-24T01:46:48Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 8:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/41 "2019-09-24T20:59:44Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Its that sort of two-dimensional thinking that has crippled CCP’s creativity (such as it is) for years. We need to move beyond that and start working on actually interesting character progression. “Here’s a cheap ship, now go die in it” just doesn’t cut it anymore. It worked better than “here’s a ship, now go mine by yourself in an empty belt where nothing happens until you get bored and quit.” To be clear, I don’t object to new players having a safe space to learn the basics, nor reject the possibility these NPCs aren’t tuned correctly. I just reject the claim the path to new player retention is keeping new players safe and away from the core game of Eve. That myth is too easy to fall into and has resulted in a piss-poor NPE and lifeless highsec in general we have today. I’ll agree, CCP has taken the easy path and just nerfed most issues around new players instead of adding viable content for new players to start engaging with New Eden, but it’s not like things are harder now. If anything, they are _much_ easier. But that isn’t enough. Things need to be much more interesting. And on that front, CCP has failed. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/42 "2019-09-24T21:02:56Z")
In an effort to throw in some kind of constructive alternative, what about announcing in the local region that a newbie system is under triglaivian assault and provide veteran players a means of interdicting that is conspicuous to new players as well? I think that the practical implementation of such a system would be difficult or impractical, but I do like the idea of getting actual players together to demonstrate the multiplayer aspect of the game inside these systems, and having real live players on hand to perhaps field questions, or render aid in what feels like an emergency situation. Anyway, I just found the thought interesting, even if it’s just a pipe dream of mine. ---
**Author:** ![Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/melisma_ramijozana/32/168474_2.png) [@Melisma\_Ramijozana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Melisma_Ramijozana)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 9:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/43 "2019-09-24T21:24:50Z")
Can confirm, if I’d been attacked by Triglavians or any such threat in the simple act of undocking, I would have quit the game before I began. And for those of you who think _well, that person wouldn’t have lasted a week anyway_, hi, I’ve been here over a year. Early impressions are everything. No one’s saying new players need to be coddled. Indeed, I learned the hard way that nowhere in space is “safe,” and it’s actually saved my butt while my bittervet friends who think a 0.7 is safe lost their ships. Losing your ship because you lost a fight due to not knowing how to apply damage is something that a new player should be frustrated about for a minute, then take a breath, figure out what went wrong, and jump right back in. Losing your ship because you didn’t see the NPCs and wouldn’t have the ability to fight them even if you did see them is something that, if a player quit EVE and badmouthed the game forever, I wouldn’t blame them for it. > [@Qia\_Kare](#): > > I do like the idea of getting actual players together to demonstrate the multiplayer aspect of the game inside these systems, and having real live players on hand to perhaps field questions, or render aid in what feels like an emergency situation. This is something that is done, and that you can also do. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Miulan\_Ng](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miulan_ng/32/167268_2.png) [@Miulan\_Ng](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miulan_Ng)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/44 "2019-09-24T22:26:34Z")
During an [interview](https://www.talkinginstations.com/2019/07/ccp-blackout-interview/), Hilmar states the intention of making the new player learning curve less daunting. Having Triglavians on the new player welcome wagon seems counter to Hilmar’s stated goal. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 10:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/45 "2019-09-24T22:34:48Z")
Hilmar says a lot of things. Sadly, he lacks the modules for proper application of his ideas to his target. ---
**Author:** ![Murri\_DroneHugger](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/murri_dronehugger/32/147635_2.png) [@Murri\_DroneHugger](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Murri_DroneHugger)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2019, 11:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/46 "2019-09-24T23:46:10Z")
CCP being incompetent?! Say it ain’t so! Nothing new. They will eventually kill off their own game. ---
**Author:** ![Agondray](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/agondray/32/414989_2.png) [@Agondray](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Agondray)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/47 "2019-09-25T00:27:32Z")
well Hilmar did say he wanted a learning curve to be that of olympus mons ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 2:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/48 "2019-09-25T02:45:14Z")
So nullsec gets is main free intel or bot automation feature back and noobs get hunted by NPCs. It’s a bold business strategy there. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 8:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/49 "2019-09-25T08:21:59Z")
In this Chaos Era free range rookies are the best training targets for pangalactic oppressors in their youth. Look at it from Triglavian rookies perspective for a moment. 🥳 ---
**Author:** ![Sordina1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sordina1/32/158264_2.png) [@Sordina1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sordina1)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2019, 10:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/50 "2019-09-25T10:11:14Z")
> **[PSA: Triglavian Invasion in New Player Hub - INN](https://imperium.news/psa-triglavian-invasion-in-new-player-hub/)** > > As we all know, the Triglavian Collective has been invading high-security space in recent months, and following the most recent patch, they have expanded their invasion front further to include low-sec. However, low-sec areas are not the only place... Read some comments to see what actual new players think. Not decade old vets that think they are pro because understand game. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/51 "2019-09-27T23:30:43Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > i’ve just checked and there is no triglavian invasion going (as claimed by OP) anywhere near Couster system. Then you need to check again. [Like I posted here](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/3) - I undocked an alt character from Hedion University in Sehmy (NPE starter system) which had a Triglavian Invasion happening in the very next system to it. ---
**Author:** ![Fayte](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/fayte/32/371975_2.png) [@Fayte](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Fayte)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/52 "2019-09-27T23:38:47Z")
Having them in rookie systems is a shitshow. At least with Incursions they could undock and warp between systems safely. Getting repeatedly blapped on undocks and gates for new players isn’t a recipe for retention. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/53 "2019-09-28T08:36:14Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > I undocked an alt character from Hedion University in Sehmy (NPE starter system) which had a Triglavian Invasion happening in the very **next system to it.** So where is the problem? System next to starter system is a fair game for all the events as EvE is a living world. Things that happened in Couster recently were probably because of new content or some other “undocumented feature” that CCP failed to anticipate, but it was NOT invasion. You keep posting/linking your story with overpriced and unreasonable fit to prove your point and then, imo, fail at it when you say you only lost 20% of shields which is nowhere near dangerous, especially considering that you were flying fatter (signature that made targeting and applying damage to you easier for trigs) and slower warping ship. E-war applied to you in the story is of no relevance (to spook readers?), unless it is a web that actually would have helped you to warp out faster - so why complain about it? ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/54 "2019-09-28T08:50:03Z")
That’s what you get when you don’t listen to the warning before entering the system. I hope those silly warnings will be removed one day and make high sec a better place. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/55 "2019-09-28T11:38:45Z")
> [@Ms\_Steak](#): > > Things that happened in Couster recently were probably because of new content or some other “undocumented feature” that CCP failed to anticipate, but it was NOT invasion. Facts are nice. Try some! [PSA: Triglavian Invasion in New Player Hub](https://imperium.news/psa-triglavian-invasion-in-new-player-hub/) ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 11:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/56 "2019-09-28T11:45:53Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Facts are nice. Try some! Thanks. They are sour but delicious. Well, last time i checked there weren’t any invasion going in the Couster (unless Agency thingy lied) but there were deaths by trigs on zKB. So there could have been a plethora of issues on top of each other, including but not limited to The Agency misreporting things. ---
**Author:** ![Inactive\_Seller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/inactive_seller/32/424362_2.png) [@Inactive\_Seller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Inactive_Seller)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 2:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/57 "2019-09-28T14:07:46Z")
Trigs Invasion WERE in Couster and CCP Fix them. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/58 "2019-09-28T16:14:57Z")
This is something that’s been raised with the Dev Team, we don’t need another thread on it. Closed. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [September 28, 2019, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rookie-npe-crisis-unfolding-in-gallente-space/192091/59 "2019-09-28T16:15:04Z")
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