# Rumours of Amarr's death have been greatly exaggerated **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [October 22, 2020, 8:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236 "2020-10-22T08:19:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Piotr\_Leusten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/piotr_leusten/32/169358_2.png) [@Piotr\_Leusten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Piotr_Leusten)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/21 "2020-10-22T18:24:22Z")
You might want to check and see if you’re selling to a variety of buyers, or just a handful. ---
**Author:** ![JayGatsby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaygatsby/32/392992_2.png) [@JayGatsby](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayGatsby)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/22 "2020-10-22T18:34:05Z")
Iam a industrialist since maybe 6-9 months. So far i have never seens the appeal of Jita anyway. I started out in Rens and bough and sold stuff in Hek, Dodixie an Amarr. Rarely in Jita because the 0.1 isking would have forced me to stay there and waste my time. Now iam operating from Amarr since a while and my only reason to go to Jita is to buy moon mats once a week since its cheaper there. For selling i never got the point of Jita. ---
**Author:** ![Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zhalyd_lyehin/32/358574_2.png) [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zhalyd_Lyehin)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/23 "2020-10-22T18:50:06Z")
That’s not what I wrote. What I wrote is that the increase in value is not likely attributable to a growing market. Instead it’s attributable to things like my above example. ---
**Author:** ![Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chainsaw_plankton/32/256180_2.png) [@Chainsaw\_Plankton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chainsaw_Plankton)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/24 "2020-10-22T20:15:55Z")
I just wish I had more isk to move more things to amarr. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/25 "2020-10-22T20:22:56Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > What I wrote is that the increase in value is not likely attributable to a growing market. I’d also suggest that there is significant selling going on of people who don’t want to keep making the Amarr/Jita run but base in Jita. @Pertti_Perusheppu Declaring it’s fine after only a month and a bit is way preemptive. Trade Hubs took years to establish, they will take years to decline. Look again in 6 months relative to Jita (So as to account for things like scarcity increasing prices everywhere), that’s about when you’ll be able to draw any actual trend indications seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/26 "2020-10-22T20:27:34Z")
So Amarr is like a “going out of business” sale? Lots of stuff getting sold? Everything must go? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/27 "2020-10-22T20:28:42Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > So Amarr is like a “going out of business” sale? Maybe? For some people almost certainly. For others they may be looking at moving in. In 6 months we’ll start to get an idea how it will stabilise, assuming high sec remains mostly stable from now to then anyway. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/28 "2020-10-22T20:44:55Z")
except not i used to sell all my ■■■■ in Jita …no brainer now there is a good time i don’t go there i dont even have stuff in Jita anymore and the Amarr stuff are starting to sell sooooooo… if i can count on me as a good barometer for the situation and i can … amarr is great again … don’t listen to lies ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 8:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/29 "2020-10-22T20:50:19Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > sooooooo… if i can count on me as a good barometer for the situation > and i can … No, you can’t. Trade Hubs require large scale cooperative efforts. Not a single trader finding some good niche opportunities. Since we don’t have the means to conduct meaningful surveys, we have to wait for a decent timeframe to actually see. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2020, 9:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/30 "2020-10-22T21:15:09Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > No, you can’t. yes i can ![images](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/1/312aef37a47dab36204e8fa80253b9995815d4a3.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 11:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/31 "2020-10-23T11:39:40Z")
I have been there yesterday and couldn buy the tech 2 module for armor tanking. 😞 ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/32 "2020-10-23T11:56:20Z")
> [@Zhalyd\_Lyehin](#): > > Manipulation I have seen people posting sell orders there with ridiculous values, like 900M isk for a module costing 1M isk in Jita. And it was basically 1 module and it was the only one in station. Everywhere in universe people are the same. Jita or Amarr, whats different is amount of competition. ---
**Author:** ![Dray\_Cil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dray_cil/32/418073_2.png) [@Dray\_Cil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dray_Cil)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 2:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/33 "2020-10-23T14:18:48Z")
I prefer Perimeter Trading Post myself (1 jump from Jita), instead of Jita, when I’m on that side of Niarja. My stuff sells just as well and I can avoid gankers. Dray Cil ---
**Author:** ![Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/herzog_wolfhammer/32/452132_2.png) [@Herzog\_Wolfhammer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Herzog_Wolfhammer)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2020, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/34 "2020-10-23T23:49:38Z")
Obligatory. Niarja, when the gates fell. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/6/b/6b92d077f8cc69b33f2fd256e1369671dde72ca1.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pertti_perusheppu/32/244021_2.png) [@Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pertti_Perusheppu)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 11:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/35 "2020-10-24T11:38:56Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > I’d also suggest that there is significant selling going on of people who don’t want to keep making the Amarr/Jita run but base in Jita. > @Pertti_Perusheppu Declaring it’s fine after only a month and a bit is way preemptive. Trade Hubs took years to establish, they will take years to decline. Look again in 6 months relative to Jita (So as to account for things like scarcity increasing prices everywhere), that’s about when you’ll be able to draw any actual trend indications seriously You are right that seeing the eventual end result will take months, so we’ll have to wait. But comparing to Jita is a good idea, let’s do that right now. Here are the trade values from July: ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/8/38f186b786a66cf773c62697f36a40b7dfe9e79f.png) And from September. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/a/9/a929fb52c8021d7477067aa6d21eead3dced4e56.png) Curiously, Jita is going down, not up. So, what we know now: -Trade in Domain has risen quite a bit in two months -Stuff is sold out in Amarr despite higher prices -Trade in Jita is somewhat going down (450T in July, ~410T in September) None of these indicate that Amarr as a trade hub has been hurt by fall of Niarja. Sure, you might be able to rationalize some of them, but I find it suspicious if you have to rationalize _everything_ that is happening to suit your argument. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 11:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/36 "2020-10-24T11:47:44Z")
> [@Pertti\_Perusheppu](#): > > None of these indicate that Amarr as a trade hub has been hurt by fall of Niarja. Sure, you might be able to rationalize some of them, but I find it suspicious if you have to rationalize _everything_ that is happening to suit your argument. What argument, I literally said that to see the effects properly we have to wait 6 months at least. Anything right now is saying that because the numbers are 1 & 9, clearly the next number is 17. There isn’t enough data for a trend. ---
**Author:** ![JayGatsby](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jaygatsby/32/392992_2.png) [@JayGatsby](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/JayGatsby)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/37 "2020-10-24T13:32:59Z")
The Fall of Niarja leads to some adjustments, but there is still a traffic between Jita and Amarr and courier contracts are completed fast enough. I think the war also drives the demand. But the long distance between Amarr und Dodixie is tedious ---
**Author:** ![Kessa\_Riddick](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kessa_riddick/32/410459_2.png) [@Kessa\_Riddick](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kessa_Riddick)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2020, 9:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/38 "2020-10-25T21:08:59Z")
> [@Phelan\_Kheldian](#): > > Anyone who thought Amarr would die from the fall of Niarji was a damn fool. Amarr was a minor trading hub because it was so close to Jita. Many people would just take the extra jumps to Jita for the cheaper price. > > Now, ita definitely not worth it to take the extra jumps. So, Amarr has become a bigger trading hub as a result. As someone who is based in Null (Catch to be precise) I can wholeheartedly agree on that the extra jumps are not worth it for me and that I will use Amarr for my buisness needs. I’ve never seen the appeal of Jita in the first place and now with Niarja down it’s not even a question in my view. Note that I don’t claim to know much about the Market in general, as a new player that would be quite silly anyway, but unless something really weird happens in the future I don’t see myself switching from Amarr anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pertti_perusheppu/32/244021_2.png) [@Pertti\_Perusheppu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pertti_Perusheppu)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 10:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/39 "2020-10-26T10:37:59Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > What argument, I literally said that to see the effects properly we have to wait 6 months at least. > Anything right now is saying that because the numbers are 1 & 9, clearly the next number is 17. There isn’t enough data for a trend. My bad, looks like I mixed you up with some other posters. I guess you are right that we can’t say the exact end result yet. But I disagree with the data not being significant so far, even with just a month and a half, it looks rather unlikely that Amarr would have been hurt by fall of Niarja. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2020, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236/40 "2020-10-26T10:57:58Z")
At the same time as traders doing fire-sales before moving to Jita, you may get industrialists moving to amarr to take advantage of the lack of ‘tech 2 armour tank mods’. Amarr will be fine. Different, but fine. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/rumours-of-amarrs-death-have-been-greatly-exaggerated/275236.md?page=3)