# Running for CSM next year: **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Created:** [September 21, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072 "2018-09-21T10:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/410 "2018-09-24T20:15:10Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Yeah, not suspicious at all, especially to a career politician that paid cash for advertising for his CSM nomination. This is the second CSM member you’ve accosted because they’ve covered some of their CSM related costs out of their own pockets. Why do you think this is questionable? Do you truly believe that a representative doing so shows a lack of integrity? What Is the airspeed velocity of an unladen swallow? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/411 "2018-09-24T20:17:59Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Why do you think this is questionable? He repeatedly stresses, presents and expresses himself as a career politician. Why did/does he do that? Ask him via PM. Im just observing and commenting on the facts. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/412 "2018-09-24T20:20:49Z")
What happens when CCP refuses to change the program? What happens when CCP refuses to disband the CSM? Basically, what will you do when you fail? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/413 "2018-09-24T20:20:54Z")
I’m not asking him. I’m asking you. Why do you think that an elected representative paying for some of their office related costs out of their own pocket is questionable? Furthermore, when attacking @Steve_Ronuken you insinuated that doing so in some way showed a lack of integrity, why is this? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/414 "2018-09-24T20:21:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > The silent majority do not vote, because they do not trust or believe in representation for them. If the silent majority do not express themselves, then you cannot legitimately claim to represent their desires—because they don’t express them. You’re making a major assumption as to what those desires are. Moreover, you’re making the massively _arrogant_ claim that your desires best serve the players’ _interests_. And yet, you haven’t offered any solid evidence of this. Can you? Can you demonstrate instances where there is hard evidence that the CSM has made things worse than CCP would otherwise have made them, or failed to advise CCP in a manner that, if followed, would have ameliorated negative impact or improved a positive change? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > He repeatedly stresses and expresses himself as a career politician. > > Why did/does he do that? Ask him via PM. Why does he do what? Openly acknowledge that he’s a career political operative? Because he’s being honest. Or do you mean why did he pay for things out of his own pocket? I confess, that’s one I have trouble understanding your complaint on, since you say you’ll refuse any offers of assistance. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/415 "2018-09-24T20:21:36Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’m not asking him. Ofc you arent. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/416 "2018-09-24T20:22:20Z")
> [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > Basically, what will you do when you fail? We’ll get another video of course! ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/417 "2018-09-24T20:22:29Z")
Well, let’s look at what happens when people _do_ ask him… He answers, and you accuse him of campaigning in your thread. Ok, so, this is _your_ thread, people are asking _you_. When/if he posts a re-election thread, they’ll ask him _there_. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/419 "2018-09-24T20:23:10Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I am not a sector specific candidate, nor do I think any CSM should be, nor that any sector should be represented by any one CSM exclusively. Something we agree on! There can be peace in our time. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/421 "2018-09-24T20:24:41Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Mate, he said your site is beautiful, too beautiful to be donated. What site is this? The only one I can see appears to be a wordpress site, and while it looks fine, it’s by no means a shocking donation 😂 My thoughts exactly. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/422 "2018-09-24T20:25:18Z")
> [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > What happens when CCP refuses to change the program? Then nothing happens via CCP. But how players respond to that, is another matter and up to them. > [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > Basically, what will you do when you fail? I will continue representing that platform, and fulfilling my other obligations as CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/423 "2018-09-24T20:27:07Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > CSM members asking questions Why are 3 CSMs asking me questions? ---
**Author:** ![Erroch](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erroch/32/16790_2.png) [@Erroch](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erroch)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/424 "2018-09-24T20:28:11Z")
To be completely honest, the site started as a way of trolling Brisc. We’d been harassing him about CSM almost as soon as we found out he was a real life politician. He turned the joke on it’s head by actually deciding he could do a good job of it and ran with it. We’ve got a decent IT wing in the corp, we do stupid stuff like this regularly for giggles while avoiding logging in. ---
**Author:** ![Choking\_Coyote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choking_coyote/32/83337_2.png) [@Choking\_Coyote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choking_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/425 "2018-09-24T20:28:13Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > > CSM members asking questions > > Why are 3 CSMs asking me questions? Are you claiming that because they are current CSM members they are not allowed to ask you questions? ---
**Author:** ![Maddy\_Zabbara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maddy_zabbara/32/277139_2.png) [@Maddy\_Zabbara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maddy_Zabbara)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/426 "2018-09-24T20:28:39Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska Assuming you are effective in eliminating the CSM, what system should be used to replace it? Do any other gaming companies out there have a replacement as an example? How do you expect to mobilize the “Silent Majority” of eve Players in order to get yourself elected? Are you aware of how the STV system works and what it would take to be elected? (As a note the STV is one of the hardest systems to abuse in our electoral base as there are no regions to gerrymander) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/428 "2018-09-24T20:31:32Z")
> [@Erroch](#): > > To be completely honest, Sorry, but I dont believe that at all as honest. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/429 "2018-09-24T20:31:54Z")
CSM members are part of the electorate too, they have as much right as any to ask questions of potential candidates. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/430 "2018-09-24T20:33:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > moreover have an interest in the CSM A self-interest, yes. Especially vs potentially upsetting future candidates with a platform like mine, and the gravitas/history I have to deliver on it. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/431 "2018-09-24T20:33:41Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Why are 3 CSMs asking me questions? Well, for the last 30h, ‘3 CSMs’ haven’t been. Just Brisc. And Judge’s last post wasn’t asking any questions. Why are you misrepresenting Brisc as 3 people? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Sorry, but I dont believe that at all as honest. Well, if you’re going to accuse someone of lying, you have evidence, right? Actual proof, not just your innate hostility to anyone who’s already doing the job you so desperately want for yourself, I mean. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 8:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/433 "2018-09-24T20:38:32Z")
You still dont get it. The more you troll this thead and my candidacy on this platform, the more you justify it and prove its necessity/validity. This will get you nowhere, except proving my point and providing me with a veritable gold mine of quotes come the actual nomination period. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=18) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=20)