# Running for CSM next year: **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Created:** [September 21, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072 "2018-09-21T10:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/21 "2018-09-21T12:44:12Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > whose interests do you represent Anti-Knowledge Coalition šŸ˜‚ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/22 "2018-09-21T12:50:42Z")
It was made clear by @CCP_Falcon that the only way to engage the issue of changing or disbanding the CSM program, is via voting and/or representation through the CSM itself. So thatā€™s what Iā€™m doing. Im running on the campaign platform that I will oppose political influence on the CSM, curtail the perks of CSM, and disband the CSM altogether. Nanaā€™s poll shows 64% of 141 respondents vote ā€œNoā€ on the CSM program as it exists currently. THAT is the MAJORITY to which I am finally offering a candidate to do exactly that. If that works for you, then by all means, vote for me. If it doesnt, well, you always elect more GSF to the panel for more political influence and corruption, if thats more your thing. Im not running to pander to you. Im running to give the majority a voice to act on the CSM programs form/existence. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/23 "2018-09-21T12:55:12Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im running to give the majority a voice They already have one. Thats why theres a 3/10 bloc ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/24 "2018-09-21T12:56:41Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > 64% of 141 > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > MAJORITY Seeing how thereā€™s 20k+ players/toons online at most hours, 64% of 141 is not even census-worthy Itā€™s not even 1% of the EVE populationā€¦ Not even .1% ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 12:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/25 "2018-09-21T12:57:08Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > They already have one. Thats why theres a 3/10 bloc There are candidates that run with no other platform than ā€œfor teh lulz!ā€. My platform and promises are what I stated them to be in OP. Vote for me if you side with those, or dont. Up to you. Im not going to pander and press-flesh for people to vote their own opinion. Poll shows 64% object to CSM as it is. That means **I already have the majority** for my platform. If I can get even a fraction of those to vote for me to this end, I will be in by a landslide over any other candidates, anywhere. Possibly the highest vote tally ever achieved by a CSM candidate, and with a strong mandate on what they voted me in for. Paradoxically, they will have to vote, this time, to get me in as CSM, so I can start working on changing and/or disbanding the CSM. This is the only way to accomplish that. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/26 "2018-09-21T13:05:26Z")
If you dont have any opinion on the topics of the day and you arent going to ā€œpress fleshā€, I cant wait to see how you plan to campaign for support ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/27 "2018-09-21T13:06:36Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im not running to pander to you. You should make this your campaign by-line btw. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 1:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/28 "2018-09-21T13:07:35Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > I cant wait to see how you plan to campaign for support Very simply. **If you want political influence reduced on CSM, want CSM perks removed, or want the CSM disbanded, I am your candidate.** If you want those things, I am the only one set to deliver on them. All you have to do, is vote me in, and I will start work to those ends immediately. ---
**Author:** ![Nana\_Skalski](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nana_skalski/32/489985_2.png) [@Nana\_Skalski](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nana_Skalski)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/30 "2018-09-21T14:44:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > what the majority of the playerbase want. Change. That is obvious. Anybody can come up with the form of it and run for CSM. As for the number of voters, poll wasnt advertised anywhere. It was just a sounding pool on forum, to check preferences. ---
**Author:** ![Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/noragen_neirfallas/32/375148_2.png) [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Noragen_Neirfallas)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 2:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/31 "2018-09-21T14:45:40Z")
Thatā€™s a bit of a stretch tbh. Gelvon knew what profit and loss were So salvos if elected what is your stance on suspect mechanics current complexity and how they affect new players? ---
**Author:** ![Omnathious\_Deninard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnathious_deninard/32/266675_2.png) [@Omnathious\_Deninard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnathious_Deninard)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 3:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/32 "2018-09-21T15:04:29Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I will advocate for the disbandment of the CSM program. Yes, vote for me so I can fire everyone including myself. Thatā€™s a fantastic way to not get any votes. ---
**Author:** ![Wander\_Prian](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wander_prian/32/394208_2.png) [@Wander\_Prian](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wander_Prian)\ **Post date:** [September 21, 2018, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/34 "2018-09-21T19:44:16Z")
Letā€™s say you get elected. If your whole idea is to dismantle CSM, how are you going to do it? You are going to be bound by the NDA, so you cannot talk to us about what you see or hear and you will be against the rest CSM-members as well as CCP in your idea ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 12:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/35 "2018-09-22T00:13:45Z")
The biggest problem is that the CSM has changed over the years and has (to a large extent) become the problem they were originally created to help solve. For those who werenā€™t here the CSM was part of the response to the T2O scandal. They were supposed to watch CCP and represent the Players to CCP to help prevent the situation where a CCP Dev could unfairly enrich/support one group/alliance. Over the years, the CSM has actually become a way to gain favor with the CCP devs and some previous members actively helped shape the current situation. Obviously, if any one group dominates the CSM, even if the members have the best intentions, it looks very suspicious. The October ā€˜balance passā€™ looks rushed and not well thought out for whatever reason. Perhaps it is time for a change in the CSM (I do not like how the CSM actually started shilling for CCP, implying they were happy with all the changes), perhaps the CSM should not be allowed to shape EvEā€™s changes, but should go back to being the watchdog they were supposed to be. Or maybe if we really want the CSM removed, we should post this on different forums. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/36 "2018-09-22T06:01:14Z")
> [@Noragen\_Neirfallas](#): > > So salvos if elected what is your stance on suspect mechanics current complexity and how they affect new players? Suspect mechanics affect new players the same as any other player. My stance on suspect mechanics complexity, is they are complex. > [@Omnathious\_Deninard](#): > > Yes, vote for me so I can fire everyone including myself. My purpose is not to get CSM members fired. My purpose is to prevent political influence in CSM, remove CSM perks, and disband CSM. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You say that I am not Gevlon. Who I am IRL is no secret already. > [@Wander\_Prian](#): > > If your whole idea is to dismantle CSM, how are you going to do it? By demonstrating to CCP that the CSM program no longer works in its intended function, and no longer has the confidence/support of a sufficient % of the playerbase to warrant its continuation. > [@Veryez](#): > > Or maybe if we really want the CSM removed, we should post this on different forums. Thats an option, but it was stated by @CCP_Falcon when he shut down a GD thread on CSM member distribution, that: > [@CSM Member Distribution](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/csm-member-distribution/107100/486): > > If you want to change the institution, or if you want to see a more divrse council, start whipping votes. Whinging on the forums about it not being fair isnā€™t going to change anything. Get out there, campaign, and vote. Thatā€™s what democracy is about. **So that is exactly what I will do.** ---
**Author:** ![Veryez](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/veryez/32/508712_2.png) [@Veryez](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Veryez)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/37 "2018-09-22T06:05:16Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Thats an option, but it was stated by @CCP_Falcon when he shut down a GD thread on CSM member distribution, that: I forgot subtle doesnā€™t work in EvE, I was referring to posting this on PAā€™s forums, maybe they wonā€™t appreciate another T2O scandalā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/38 "2018-09-22T06:11:03Z")
Player petitions and contact with PA as to dissatisfaction with the CSM program are also an option. Strategy will depend on what is allowed. Iā€™m open to innovative suggestions, and not afraid to tentatively push the envelope, within its constraints. I wont break any of the terms of TOS/EULA/CSM contract while occupying a CSM seat, ofc cos I dont want legal punishment myself, but more importantly it would discredit our movement to have CSM changed or disbanded, thus be counterproductive. A universal, regulated referendum on the continuation of the CSM program put to all EVE players would probably be the best method for disbanding it. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 6:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/39 "2018-09-22T06:50:39Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So bascailly you favour putting in financial barriers to CSM membership. Im in favor of removing a financial incentive to run for CSM. **CSM business can be handled via the internet.** CSM history shows many CSM have not been able to travel to Fanfest for various reasons, regardless of it being paid for them, and thus are less represented at Fanfest with direct contact with CCP. I question the motives of any CSM that would vote against removing free flight/accommodation/entry to Fanfest, and no more free Omega status. Any individual player has to pay those themselves. I see no reason why CSM should be any different. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > That poll was badly worded and had 150 votes. Th poll is what it is. As such, it still shows a 64% majority of respondents vote ā€œNOā€ on CSM program. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Iā€™ll believe it when I see it. What you believe, is your own choice. Interesting that you have claimed some 4times you will ignore me, and have repeatedly told others to do the same, yet here you are, again. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 7:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/41 "2018-09-22T07:40:42Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Itā€™s CCP paying for a cost they create so that a CSM member can do what they were elected to without having to find the money to do it. False. Attending Fanfest is not a condition of being CSM. It is entirely optional. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Maybe, but it would be a lot harder. Its not harder than taking time out of ones life/family/career to fly to Fanfest to drink with CCP staff. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You believe youā€™re objectively right about everything and therefore anyone that disagrees must be up to something. Thats your belief, not mine. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > If youā€™re going to pretend that means something on a grander scale I have pretended no such thing. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > This is just comedy gold so I had to get in on it. Shows you are dishonest and hypocritical. Some 4 times you have stated you will ignore me, and told several others to do so as well. Yet here you are, trolling me, again. Im asking you to desist, now. ---
**Author:** ![Lucas\_Kell](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lucas_kell/32/393556_2.png) [@Lucas\_Kell](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lucas_Kell)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 7:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/42 "2018-09-22T07:58:42Z")
(O\_o) ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 22, 2018, 8:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/43 "2018-09-22T08:18:51Z")
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