# Running for CSM next year: **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Created:** [September 21, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072 "2018-09-21T10:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 23
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/500 "2018-09-24T22:23:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Im not a joke. :snort: > Im sincere and serious with a track record to prove it. The only track record you have is one of being ignorant or consistently wrong about pretty much everything. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/501 "2018-09-24T22:25:44Z")
[Running for CSM next year:](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/226)? this post in particular attacked the man behind the toon. which isn’t allowed as per the EULA what goes around comes around 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/502 "2018-09-24T22:26:13Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The only track record you have is one of being ignorant or consistently wrong about pretty much everything. What would you do if I get elected CSM? Would you quit EVE? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/503 "2018-09-24T22:27:59Z")
The same as I did when the current US president was elected. Sit back and wonder at the stupidity and gullibility of people. ---
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/505 "2018-09-24T22:36:21Z")
Please don’t kill tigers. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/506 "2018-09-24T22:44:51Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > The same as I did when the current US president was elected. > > Sit back and wonder at the stupidity and gullibility of people. Would you be surprised if the majority of EVE players think that about the CSM past and present? Do you begin to get it now? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/507 "2018-09-24T22:46:23Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Would you be surprised if the majority of EVE players think that about the CSM past and present? I’d be surprised if you had evidence to support that statement. BTW silence from the silent is not evidence of anything. ---
**Author:** ![Maddy\_Zabbara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/maddy_zabbara/32/277139_2.png) [@Maddy\_Zabbara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Maddy_Zabbara)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/508 "2018-09-24T22:47:09Z")
@Salvos_Rhoska I think you should look into others who have taken similar positions in the past and how, if any, they were successful. Those who wish to take power are molded by the same power they wish to wield. In order to obtain this position you must play the political games to get elected, and that will change you. If you wish to bash the system from the outside without following it’s rules you will find yourself with a headache and no damage done to the walls between you and the position of Power. Find some Keys in New Eden and play to what they want, get people who will not only follow your lead but do things for you, such as build a website with skills you may not possess, and build a following. Perhaps this thread will begin that from players who do not currently interact with the CSM system, but I suspect that those same players also don’t spend much time on the Forums as well so you will have to find other means to get your message out. I have asked your stance on several issues and how you would affect changes, and what changes you would propose, and Personally I find your positions lacking. I am a member of Goonswarm and an avid Wormhole resident (I run a Wormhole Squad within the Swarm) I feel that I know many of the “average masses” from my time as a Bombers Bar FC and the countless NPSI fleets I have flown in. Speaking form that moderate background I will tell you this. I know very few players (maybe 2 in all honesty) who would support the positions you have put forward. I will also make an effort of speaking against your candacy, as is my right as a paying player of Eve, as you seem very devotedly against my play styles and the playstyles of my friends. In addition as some free advice, not engaging at all with people you consider “Trolling” is a more likely method of gaining support in the future than attacking people that have a large number of players that voted for them in the past and support their actions often enough to take their side by default. That being said I wish you well in your attmepts as I very rarely enjoy the suffering of others (Outside game) though I will be very shocked if you recieve enough votes to be mentioned as anything more than an “Also Ran” in any future CSM elections. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/509 "2018-09-24T22:47:12Z")
I would not be surprised if the majority of EVE players are completely clueless, no. As a rule, I find the majority of humanity to be a bunch of drooling morons, so any subset of notable size will be, as well. But then, you’d have to prove it, first, and your MO seems very light on _supporting_ your assertions. ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/510 "2018-09-24T22:47:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > “Hey voters, guess what, my “friends” made me a website and donated it to me cos they want me to represent them! What a coincidence!” They made the website as a joke. They voted for me because they wanted me to represent them. There’s a difference. And it’s not like I campaigned on the idea that my friends like me enough to donate me a website. That would be dumb. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Have you even watched your campaign vidd in retrospect? How much did you pay for that “Vote Brisc Rabal” backboard? Yes, I’ve watched it. I spent nothing for a “Vote for Brisc Rabal” backboard, but I did spend $50 on the “Brisc Rubal CSM XIII” backboard that I used. > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You are only making this worse for yourself. Your trolling here is just providing me more ammo come election period. > > I sincerely, as a courtesy, am asking you to leave my thread alone, as the other 3 CSM that showed up here already figured out in their own interest. > > Im not a joke. > Im sincere and serious with a track record to prove it. When you apologize to me for accusing me of lying and for questioning my integrity, I’ll be happy to leave your thread alone. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/511 "2018-09-24T22:50:42Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I’d be surprised if you had evidence to support that statement. You avoided the question. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > BTW silence from the silent is not evidence of anything. They arent voting, because they dont trust the CSM program to represent them, and see its ■■■■■■■■ for what it is. They havent had a candidate to change CSM, and if necessary, disband it. Now they do. ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/512 "2018-09-24T22:53:55Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > they Again, who’s that mythic figure you refer to? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/513 "2018-09-24T22:54:17Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They havent had a candidate to change CSM, and if necessary, disband it. Every. Single. Year. Every single year, _someone_ runs on the ‘disband the CSM’ platform. Claiming the playerbase has never had a candidate espousing changes to the CSM is just… either very, very dishonest, or _amazingly_ ignorant. ---
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/514 "2018-09-24T22:55:28Z")
I made a website for myself and a “not running for CSM” video. Am I in trouble? Am I one of the good guys or the bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![Annah\_Tsero](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/annah_tsero/32/96572_2.png) [@Annah\_Tsero](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Annah_Tsero)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/515 "2018-09-24T22:56:01Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > either very, very dishonest, or _amazingly_ ignorant. why not both? ¯\_\_(ツ)\_/¯ ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/516 "2018-09-24T22:56:19Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You avoided the question. I didn’t avoid it, I questioned the validity of the statement you made in the form of the question. > They arent voting, because they dont trust the CSM program to represent them, and see its ■■■■■■■■ for what it is. How do you know this? If, not when, you answer this, bear in mind that the majority of the people you claim to wanting to represent are generally silent and thus you have no idea of what they want. > They havent had a candidate to change CSM, and if necessary, disband it. Actually they have, several; none of which have been elected to office. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/517 "2018-09-24T22:57:03Z")
> [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > When you apologize to me for accusing me of lying and for questioning my integrity, I’ll be happy to leave your thread alone. I didnt lie about anything. I still question your integrity. You have done far worse here in my campaign thread, with you as seated CSM as voted by your friends by your own admission in your post above. You will get no apology from me here, and I promise you, the more you persist the more you reveal yourself to my voters as exactly why they want CSM changed or disbanded. ---
**Author:** ![Choking\_Coyote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choking_coyote/32/83337_2.png) [@Choking\_Coyote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choking_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/518 "2018-09-24T22:57:41Z")
> [@Dunk\_Dinkle](#): > > I made a website for myself and a “not running for CSM” video. > > Am I in trouble? Am I one of the good guys or the bad guys? It depends. Can you prove you did not receive both help and donations from your friends to create both the web site and the video? ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/519 "2018-09-24T22:57:54Z")
Who are your voters, and how do you know what they want? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/520 "2018-09-24T22:58:41Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Actually they have, several; none of which have been elected to office. Im not like those. I always deliver. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=22) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=24)