# Running for CSM next year: **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Created:** [September 21, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072 "2018-09-21T10:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 24
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/521 "2018-09-24T22:59:35Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Who are your voters, and how do you know what they want? Wait and see. ---
**Author:** ![Dunk\_Dinkle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dunk_dinkle/32/319804_2.png) [@Dunk\_Dinkle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dunk_Dinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 10:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/522 "2018-09-24T22:59:49Z")
Well, my friend Syd was in my latest video. Does that count? My wife puts up with my general nonsense? Does that count? My daughter adjusted the lights and camera for the recording. Does that count? Cagali is lazy and never helps. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/523 "2018-09-24T23:02:18Z")
Dunk… This is not helpful or relevant, either way. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/524 "2018-09-24T23:06:59Z")
> [@Choking\_Coyote](#): > > Can you prove you did not receive both help and donations from your friends to create both the web site and the video? No, it’s worse than that, he also has to prove he didn’t spend any of his own money on either, or he’s clearly only not-running because of the financial incentives of not being sent to a barren lump of granite in the North Atlantic for a week, surrounded by toxic shark meat curing in urine. ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/525 "2018-09-24T23:07:28Z")
Yeah, I saw that. It was shortly after that he created this thread. When I found it, I literally laughed out loud. I knew exactly how it was going to turn out. ---
**Author:** ![Choking\_Coyote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choking_coyote/32/83337_2.png) [@Choking\_Coyote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choking_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/526 "2018-09-24T23:08:09Z")
> [@Dunk\_Dinkle](#): > > Well, my friend Syd was in my latest video. Does that count? > > My wife puts up with my general nonsense? Does that count? > > My daughter adjusted the lights and camera for the recording. Does that count? > > Cagali is lazy and never helps. I’m sorry Dunk, but I’m affraid that you have indeed received substantial help from both family and friends. This does discout you as a valid CSM candidate. Also, by your own admission, your dauther did help out with the production of the video. I’m sure this can be seen a child labour (depending on the age of the child of cource). This action is highly frowned upon by both CCP and the CSM. As such, I’m affraid you will have to withdraw your candidacy. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/527 "2018-09-24T23:08:18Z")
Ok. Quick TL;DR - OP wishes to be elected to the CSM on the platform of opposing “corruption” and “political” influence within it. - OP claims to have support from the majority of the electorate, but can’t actually substantiate the claim, because the silent majority… well, they’re kind of silent. - OP has repeatedly harangued, insulted, and questioned the honesty and integrity of several sitting CSM members. - OP has repeatedly ignored questions based entirely on their content questioning his platform or motives or not liking the people asking them; instead deeming opposing individuals as trolls. - OP is openly hostile, intractable and belligerent. - OP has himself made statements in the past that call into question his own integrity and suitability to run for office. Did I miss anything? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/528 "2018-09-24T23:09:40Z")
Well, you’ve clearly been recording your own videos, using your own data plan and making use of a phone that you, presumably, paid money to purchase. By your own statements to Brisc, this indicates that you’re seeking election to the CSM in order to reap the financial benefits of being voted onto the CSM. So how can we believe that you really want change? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/529 "2018-09-24T23:14:03Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > this indicates that you’re seeking election to the CSM in order to reap the financial benefits of being voted onto the CSM. What financial benefits? ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/530 "2018-09-24T23:14:41Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I didnt lie about anything. > I still question your integrity. > > You have done far worse here in my campaign thread, with you as seated CSM as voted by your friends by your own admission in your post above. > > You will get no apology from me here, and I promise you, the more you persist the more you reveal yourself to my voters as exactly why they want CSM changed or disbanded I think there must be a language barrier here. I do not ask you to apologize for lying. I asked you to apologize for accusing me of lying. I have done nothing to you, other than ask you questions and answer yours, which you seem to believe somehow makes me look bad. I’m not sure why you think this, other than you appear to believe that it is unethical for a candidate for CSM to spend any money campaigning. If that is the case, that’s the first time I have ever seen that attack be made, so i give you credit for originality. I hope that I am revealing to your voters the same thing I revealed to the owners of the 1,990 accounts that voted for me on the first ballot - that I’m open and honest, even with people like you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/531 "2018-09-24T23:15:44Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Did I miss anything? Points 1 and 2 are by and wide correct. The rest are not by any stretch. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/532 "2018-09-24T23:16:00Z")
That was my question to you when you insisted that Brisc having spent his own money on some of his campaign materials indicated there was a financial incentive for running. You didn’t answer me then, even to acknowledge the question, so I’m forced to assume you have some expectation of financial incentives existing. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/534 "2018-09-24T23:19:05Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I’m forced to assume you have some expectation of financial incentives existing. That does not follow. What financial gain do I stand to receive, when I have explictly stated I will accept none? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/535 "2018-09-24T23:19:54Z")
Point 3 is definitely correct. You have harangued, insulted, and questioned the honesty and integrity of Brisc, the Judge, and Steve Ronuken. Point 4 is also correct. You have repeatedly ignored questions. Just one example: > [@Arrendis](#): > > Is it so hard to believe that these people do this because they love this game and truly want to serve the interests of the players? Point 5, I will grant you, may be people misinterpreting your responses, but you definitely do _come across_ as hostile and belligerent, and you have been largely intractable. Point 6… I can see where you, being inherently biased where **you** are concerned, might not realize that you have done this… but you have. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/536 "2018-09-24T23:21:09Z")
I don’t know. You’re the one who insisted there must be one. Therefore, if that is the only thing you can think of which motivates the current CSMs to spend their time, effort, and money on this, it stands to reason that it is why you would do so. ---
**Author:** ![Choking\_Coyote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choking_coyote/32/83337_2.png) [@Choking\_Coyote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choking_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/537 "2018-09-24T23:22:27Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > > > Did I miss anything? > > Points 1 and 2 are by and wide correct. > The rest are not by any stretch. Points 3 to 6 are open to interpretation. And so far, you’re the only one interpreting them differently than everone else. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/538 "2018-09-24T23:22:39Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > You have harangued, insulted, and questioned the honesty and integrity of Brisc, the Judge, and Steve Ronuken. This is false. What is true is those three, as acting CSM, have shown up in my CSM candidacy campaign thread to troll it, and revealed questionable conduct on the part of each, which I have addressed. They came here to troll me. 2 had the sense to stop. 1 was just responding to a callsign, yet one persists still, despite me asking him multiple times to desist. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/539 "2018-09-24T23:24:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Points 1 and 2 are by and wide correct. > The rest are not by any stretch. So you’re admitting that you can’t substantiate your claim to represent a majority? The other 4 points are not without basis. You have demonstrably questioned the honesty and integrity of at least 2 sitting CSM members. You have classified any questions that challenge your platform or authored by people you dislike as trolls You are openly hostile, intractable and belligerent, your own posting makes your denial either deluded or deceitful. You have made statements in the past that call into question the kind of person you are and whether you are suitable or not to run for office. Be warned I have a nasty habit of being able to back up my statements; try me at your peril. ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/540 "2018-09-24T23:25:35Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I am not a sector specific candidate, nor do I think any CSM should be, nor that any sector should be represented by any one CSM exclusively. This is by design. “While the CSM are considered an elected body, and operate as a single cohesive unit, delegates of the CSM must remember that they are democratically elected individuals who were voted into office to **represent a given playstyle** , and have a responsibility to bring forth the views and opinions of their constituents to CCP Games.” - [CSM Whitepaper, pg 10](https://cdn1.eveonline.com/community/csm/CSM-WHITEPAPER.pdf) ---
**Author:** ![Brisc\_Rubal](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brisc_rubal/32/374307_2.png) [@Brisc\_Rubal](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brisc_Rubal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2018, 11:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/541 "2018-09-24T23:31:13Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > What financial gain do I stand to receive, when I have explictly stated I will accept none? Are you refusing to attend the summit in Iceland in person? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=23) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=25)