# Running for CSM next year: **URL:** \ **Category:** CSM Campaigns\ **Created:** [September 21, 2018, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072 "2018-09-21T10:35:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 69
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1439 "2018-09-27T20:44:05Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It is relevant as to the extent of creeping political influence on CSM of ingame entities. Indifference; as I stated in the quote that you edited\* I don’t care either way as long as they perform, IMHO, in a satisfactory manner. _\*I thought you said this was against the rules, do they not apply to you too?_ ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1440 "2018-09-27T20:44:10Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > And the voters will decide that, not you. I as a voter _will_ decide that…by not voting for you. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1441 "2018-09-27T20:45:15Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > I don’t care either way as long as they perform, IMHO, in a satisfactory manner. Thats your prerogative. My view does not agree with yours. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1442 "2018-09-27T20:45:53Z")
> [@Mintoko](#): > > I as a voter _will_ decide that…by not voting for you. Your choice. ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1443 "2018-09-27T20:46:32Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > A restriction of one seated CSM per Corp/Alliance can be instated. Not in any credible way, as has already been demonstrated. You chose to completely ignore that point, even while responding to the existence of that post. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1444 "2018-09-27T20:47:55Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > A restriction of one seated CSM per Corp/Alliance can be instated. > > Not in any credible way, as has already been demonstrated. You chose to completely ignore that point, even while responding to the existence of that post. It will have more impact than you realize or admit. Hence the resistance here against it, by those whom do want that additional threshold added against the creeping corruption and political influence on CSM by ingame political entities. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1445 "2018-09-27T20:48:39Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > They are silent Precisely the point. > because they are fed up with being trolled and misrepresented. Citation needed, voter apathy is common IRL too, for many different reasons. > They do not believe in the CSM system as it stands, anymore, to represent them. > I will give them a CSM platform to vote for, to have a voice to that end. How do you know this? After all, they’re silent. Unless of course you’re Professor X in drag and misusing Cerebro for your own personal gain. ---
**Author:** ![Choking\_Coyote](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/choking_coyote/32/83337_2.png) [@Choking\_Coyote](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Choking_Coyote)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1446 "2018-09-27T20:49:00Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I am very intelligent, and somewhat eccentric. HA… HAH… HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA….! Have you ever considered a career as a comedian? > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > [@Brisc\_Rubal](#): > > > > I think there are areas where the NDA should be relaxed > > That is something we can work on, should both of us be elected CSM. Good luck with that one. As far as I’m aware of, it’s been since CSM X that people have been complaining about this issue (possibly even earlier than that), and until this day, CCP still has not bulged on this issue. It’s also one of the reasons why it’s generally so difficult to judge who’s a good CSM member or not. It’s like they can all claim how instrumental they were in pushing through a certain change because CCP slaps NDA’s on almost everything. I’ve heard more that one CSM member claim they helped work on certain issues yet it took CCP so long to code them into the game, by the time they were finished with it, it looked to everyone like it was the next CSM who actually managed to push the change trough. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1447 "2018-09-27T20:51:11Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Precisely the point. You edited out the rest, as to why they are currently silent. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > Citation needed, voter apathy is common IRL too, for many different reasons. Voter apathy is substantially due to a sense of not being represented in the current system, or PARTY candidates. I aim to change both. > [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > How do you know this? Does it matter? I dont have to prove a constituency to run for CSM. ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1448 "2018-09-27T20:52:53Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > I dont have to prove a constituency to run for CSM. No, you don’t have to prove a constituency, but you will need them to actually get elected. So far, no one has come to support you even though this thread has been high in the section for almost a week. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1449 "2018-09-27T20:53:09Z")
> [@Choking\_Coyote](#): > > Good luck with that one. As far as I’m aware of, it’s been since CSM X that people have been complaining about this issue (possibly even earlier than that), and until this day, CCP still has not bulged on this issue. Brisc and I have as much as agreed we both would work on relaxing NDA. Thats two CSM candidates atleast. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1450 "2018-09-27T20:54:02Z")
> [@Mintoko](#): > > you will need them to actually get elected Thats my challenge to make happen, not yours. You’ve said you dont think CSM should be changed. I am not the candidate for you. ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1451 "2018-09-27T20:54:24Z")
I never said it was my challenge. ---
**Author:** ![Mintoko](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mintoko/32/376766_2.png) [@Mintoko](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mintoko)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1453 "2018-09-27T20:55:33Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > Thats my challenge to make happen, not yours. Yes, you most certainly did. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1454 "2018-09-27T20:56:30Z")
> [@Mintoko](#): > > > [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > > > Thats my challenge to make happen, not yours. > > Yes, you most certainly did. > [@Mintoko](#): > > I never said it was my challenge. I never said it was your challenge. I said it was NOT your challenge. I said it was mine. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1455 "2018-09-27T20:56:52Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > You edited out the rest, as to why they are currently silent. Nope, you even addressed my response to the exact quoted text that you claim I omitted. > Voter apathy is substantially due to a sense of not being represented in the current system, or PARTY candidates. > > I aim to change both. I would wish you well with that, but I can’t in all honesty do it. > Does it matter? > > I dont have to prove a constituency to run for CSM. You’re claiming to have one though. ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1456 "2018-09-27T20:57:49Z")
> [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](#): > > You’re claiming to have one though. What % of the EVE playerbase do you think are dissatisfied with the CSM Program? ---
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1457 "2018-09-27T20:58:41Z")
> [@Salvos\_Rhoska](#): > > It will have more impact than you realize or admit. > > Hence the resistance here against it, by those whom do want that additional threshold added against the creeping corruption and political influence on CSM by ingame political entities. I said nothing about impact. I said your insistence that it can be instituted is demonstrably false. It cannot be instated in any meaningful way. I have already demonstrated this. You have failed to respond to or refute that demonstration. That demonstration is not ‘resistance’, it is simply pointing out that you are _wrong_, and that you do not have credible ideas. As I’ve said: I want you to run _competently_, and right now, you are not. ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 8:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1458 "2018-09-27T20:58:45Z")
What percentage of the Eve playerbase do you think even cares about the CSM, or knows what it does, or that it exists for that matter? ---
**Author:** ![Salvos\_Rhoska](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salvos_rhoska/32/14128_2.png) [@Salvos\_Rhoska](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salvos_Rhoska)\ **Post date:** [September 27, 2018, 9:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072/1459 "2018-09-27T21:00:24Z")
> [@Arrendis](#): > > I said your insistence that it can be instituted is demonstrably false. It can be instituted. Whether it will, or not, is up to CCP. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=68) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/running-for-csm-next-year/108072.md?page=70)