# Safeties to Green. Or else **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 7, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805 "2019-11-07T23:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Bloody\_Larry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bloody_larry/32/151459_2.png) [@Bloody\_Larry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bloody_Larry)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 2:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/63 "2019-11-14T14:31:26Z")
> [@Kebbert\_Tsukino](#): > > Law enforcement occurs AFTER a crime has happened, not before. Part of what makes EVE EVE is giving us the choice to be bad, and there is already a mechanic in place to enforce the ‘law’ when we choose to do ‘bad guy’ things. If you just magically enforce goodness and sunshine on every player in highsec you take away a big part of what makes this game a different experience and not just another boring slog. 1.0, 0.9, & maybe 0.8. Not all of EVE. Your argument is not relevant. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 3:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/64 "2019-11-14T15:18:54Z")
> [@Kebbert\_Tsukino](#): > > Law enforcement occurs AFTER a crime has happened, not before. In some aspects, yes. Concord arrives after the ganker has already opened fire on their next victim. Conconrd doesn’t prevent the attack, they just punish the ganker while the victim still suffers. But in other aspects, the game prevents abuse before it ever happens. You absolutely cannot activate a Cyno in High Sec. You absolutely cannot fly a Capital ship through a Stargate into High Sec. You absolutely cannot do a lot of things in High Sec b/c the game tells you “no you’re not allowed”. So it’s not unheard of to say that certain rules are hard coded into your ships computer or something, and cannot be done while in High Sec. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/65 "2019-11-14T16:39:57Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Highsec to farm in safety. Pfft, with this logic you should be more unhappy with null, it is honestly more Farmville then high and high sec drops/rocks are far less valuable, again the monthly economic reports show delve (where your alts live), is really showing up high sec for sure, yet you don’t seem to ever consider this, please! ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/66 "2019-11-14T17:11:22Z")
> [@Bloody\_Larry](#): > > Nope, how is easy the gank mechanic is. Easy, risk free, risk-reward right out the window. Risk/reward is used to balance NPC drops and resources and not player engagements. If you make yourself easy to kill that is your fault. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 5:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/67 "2019-11-14T17:13:02Z")
> [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > Pfft, with this logic you should be more unhappy with null I don’t care about null. Highsec has the most interesting game mechanics and allows for some seriously nice things to happen, so that is where I play. Now stop crying and get a permit ---
**Author:** ![Caskas\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/caskas_amatin/32/413473_2.png) [@Caskas\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Caskas_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [November 14, 2019, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/68 "2019-11-14T19:06:22Z")
Well said. ---
**Author:** ![zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zazzmatazz_xu/32/451037_2.png) [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zazzmatazz_Xu)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/69 "2019-11-15T01:35:40Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > Highsec has the most interesting game mechanics and allows for some seriously nice things to happen So with your own admission of high sec being fabulous why should others leave it, without the “others” your game play wouldn’t exist and you and your cohorts constant posts about “miners” and all the poo you sling in the forums even going to the extreme of creating a website about it, it has always amazed me that people like you never question when enough is enough, always going too far with antics, but again it’s hard for me to understand how some people never grow. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/70 "2019-11-15T06:04:33Z")
> [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > > Highsec has the most interesting game mechanics and allows for some seriously nice things to happen > > So with your own admission of high sec being fabulous why should others leave it, without the “others” your game play wouldn’t exist and you and your cohorts constant posts about “miners” and all the poo you sling in the forums even going to the extreme of creating a website about it, it has always amazed me that people like you never question when enough is enough, always going too far with antics, but again it’s hard for me to understand how some people never grow. Call me weird but that’s exactly what I find funny about CODE. But then this dude ain’t even CODE. agent. Just from a random splinter group of 6 people that has named themselves to sound like them. Basically looks like CODE. wannabes if you ask me. And peeking at their killboard, at least with recent activity of theirs there are indeed some kills alongside code proper, but it’s always his corpmate Alyth with one specific CODE. agent working in tandem. Which makes it even funnier. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/71 "2019-11-15T06:42:09Z")
> [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > but it’s always his corpmate Alyth with one specific CODE. agent working in tandem. Oh those are my alts, including the one in CODE… My corp is not in the alliance at the moment for practical reasons (which may change again in the future) but was for a long time. > [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > So with your own admission of high sec being fabulous why should others leave it I don’t want them to leave highsec, I want them to follow the Code. Big difference ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/72 "2019-11-15T06:48:12Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > > > but it’s always his corpmate Alyth with one specific CODE. agent working in tandem. > > Oh those are my alts, including the one in CODE… My corp is not in the alliance at the moment for practical reasons (which may change again in the future) but was for a long time. Ah, infamous multibox ganker 😉 Well ok I admitt I am unaware of method of trackign alliance history of a corp without logging into the game, and being at work - can’t log into the game. So I’m taking back the code wannabe part 😉 > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@zazzmatazz\_Xu](#): > > > > So with your own admission of high sec being fabulous why should others leave it > > I don’t want them to leave highsec, I want them to follow the Code. Big difference That being said which version of it? The original James315 rant against all high sec industrials, Narrowed version of “just don’t afk in paper ships please”, or “if you wanna do high sec industry you need to pay us for a permit”? 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/73 "2019-11-15T06:53:00Z")
Both of course. The permit is like a drivers license, you need it to mine, but it doesn’t get you a free pass to violate the rest of the Code. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/74 "2019-11-15T06:59:40Z")
I listed 3 variations of what I have seen propagated as “the Code” 😛 so “both” hardly applies as an answer 😉 Asking out of curiosity mostly tho, but original James315 rants do come in opposition of the claim “I don’t want them to leave” as all his rants were boiling down to was basically “high sec industrialists are worse than botters and game needs them purged”… The “don’t afk in paper ships please”/“don’t autopilot friggin freighters” variant I can get behind… Permits are just a scam 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/75 "2019-11-15T07:02:03Z")
Telling people “permits are a scam” is the real scam. You blame CODE. For killing newbs - but it is people that tell them not to buy permits that are the real root cause. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/76 "2019-11-15T07:06:29Z")
I didn’t blame anyone for anything, just for the record. And no, I am not any sort of root cause for anything as I have witnessed myself how high regard code has for their own permits. Long story short - they are meaningless extorsion if an “agent” decides to gank you he will attempt to gank you and no amounts of bought permits will change that. Let’s be real in here they are scam. Scam that code alliance needs (needed?) to mantain their finances, with the amount of unprofitable suicide ganks made only for the sake of manifesting “the might of code”. I know it, You know it, everyone paying any attention to code over the years knows it, and rest is just a fascade. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/77 "2019-11-15T07:10:28Z")
Real? Code attracts a lot of people. There is a wide spectrum of gankers. A lot of us respect the permits. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 7:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/78 "2019-11-15T07:13:43Z")
Yes, real. Squad bouncing around Vattuloen - when you still had dedicated squad bouncing in this area, was quite oftenly just revoking permits each time they passed by with more ■■■■■■■■ reason then the previous one. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/79 "2019-11-15T08:15:29Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Telling people “permits are a scam” is the real scam. There’s no such thing as a ‘Permit’ within the game so trying to sell them as an actual required item in-game is a scam. Basically it’s Racketeering, a fraud scam enforced by coercion and intimidation. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/80 "2019-11-15T08:22:51Z")
Void ammo and catalysts are real in-game items though, right? ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/81 "2019-11-15T08:24:36Z")
> [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > I listed 3 variations of what I have seen propagated as “the Code” 😛 so “both” hardly applies as an answer I think you are really just confused and don’t actually know what the Code is? Here go and read it: [MinerBumping.com: The Code](http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html) > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > Permits are just a scam Peoples ships explode because they don’t have one, so not sure if that counts as real or not, you decide. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:29am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/82 "2019-11-15T08:29:28Z")
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