# Safeties to Green. Or else **URL:** \ **Category:** PvE Ships & Modules\ **Created:** [November 7, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805 "2019-11-07T23:11:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/83 "2019-11-15T08:32:44Z")
> [@Bloody\_Larry](#): > > It’s not my first big loss. I’ve taken 2 in 4 yrs, because I was taught ultra-caution and ISK-warfare by my first corp ( I was VERY lucky there ). I would argue you were very unlucky with your first corp. It sounds like you were ‘guided’ straight into an extreme risk averse care bear mentality. My first corp encouraged me to head into low sec from day one, and taught me the skills (and some fits, although I mostly cobbled those together myself) needed to not get blown up immediately. Eve rewards game knowledge, risk management and (calculated) risk taking. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/84 "2019-11-15T08:35:34Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > > > I listed 3 variations of what I have seen propagated as “the Code” 😛 so “both” hardly applies as an answer > > I think you are really just confused and don’t actually know what the Code is? Here go and read it: [MinerBumping.com: The Code](http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html) I do know what the code is, thank you. so that’s variant 2 of what you were propagating over time 😛 > [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > > > Permits are just a scam > > Peoples ships explode because they don’t have one, so not sure if that counts as real or not, you decide. Peoples ship explode regardless whether they have one or not. ---
**Author:** ![Trevor\_Dalech](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trevor_dalech/32/410287_2.png) [@Trevor\_Dalech](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trevor_Dalech)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:42am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/85 "2019-11-15T08:42:51Z")
> [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/c/c/cc321787fd56fb75d3a686c4764c7b337644dd26.jpeg) Karak\_Terrel: > > > ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/f/4f84298e02e955b35d8795b892b80d57d4d7e3d0.jpeg) Manweru\_Cemenotar: > > > > > Permits are just a scam > > > > Peoples ships explode because they don’t have one, so not sure if that counts as real or not, you decide. > > Peoples ship explode regardless whether they have one or not. The scam is a bit subtler than that. The code is effectively a set of guidelines for keeping your ship safe. - If you follow the code _and_ have a permit, you won’t get blown up. - If you follow the code except for that bit about the permit, you won’t get blown up. - If you don’t follow the code, you’ll get blown up, regardless of whether or not you have a permit. ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/86 "2019-11-15T08:47:59Z")
How can you call that a scam? Follow The Code. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 8:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/87 "2019-11-15T08:53:23Z")
> [@Trevor\_Dalech](#): > > - If you follow the code _and_ have a permit, you won’t get blown up. > - If you follow the code except for that bit about the permit, you won’t get blown up. Thank you for proving my point in here. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/88 "2019-11-15T09:13:16Z")
> [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > I do know what the code is, thank you. so that’s variant 2 of what you were propagating over time Ok by now I just think you are either incapable of reading or comprehending a long text. I think the classic miner approach is the best way to go here. If you absolutely must mine or do things in Highsec, make sure to ask your local Agent for advice, he will help you comply. > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > Peoples ship explode regardless whether they have one or not. If they don’t follow the Code yes. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/89 "2019-11-15T09:20:49Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > > [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](#): > > > > I do know what the code is, thank you. so that’s variant 2 of what you were propagating over time > > Ok by now I just think you are either incapable of reading or comprehending a long text. No, I have just met a broad spectrum of CODE. agents. Each preaching something different as “the Code”. Which is why I was asking You which version did you mean as “the code” to follow. I hope that clarifies it. PS. I need no help or compliance with anything in my High Sec activities 😉 just understanding how things work in here will suffice, thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 9:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/90 "2019-11-15T09:58:14Z")
Just read the Code and the rest of the minerbumping blog posts and you will be well equipped for everyday Highsec. It just sounds like you are looking for a compression of the Code into a single sentence and that is not how that works. You have to follow all of it. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 10:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/91 "2019-11-15T10:08:40Z")
and at this point You look like not reading 🙂 I’ll repeat myself last time - I have seen three different versions of “the code” preached by different agents. and I was asking you to clarify which one was “yours”. And You did provide that clarification by referencing internet resource, and everything after that is just You trying to take jabs in weird directions. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 10:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/92 "2019-11-15T10:40:23Z")
I already linked you the Code =\> [http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html](http://www.minerbumping.com/p/the-code.html) . There is no other Code. The manifests James 315 created predate the actual Code and inspired him to start this whole journey to safe the miners from themselves. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/93 "2019-11-15T10:41:39Z")
> [@Karak\_Terrel](#): > > There is no other Code I wish all members of the CODE. alliance in it’s whole history believed the same ^-^ ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 10:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/94 "2019-11-15T10:44:03Z")
Show me any evidence where anyone referenced any other Code. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 11:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/95 "2019-11-15T11:25:45Z")
For sure I will now be able to dig up logs from chats from 2016 🙂 I mean maybe I could dig them if not for the fact it was 3 PCs ago and countless re-installs and I am not that kind of a guy who’d backup all the logs for eternity… (still kind of pointless talk at this moment - I’ve got my answer I was inquiring you for, so I’m not sure why are we even still here) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 12:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/96 "2019-11-15T12:21:33Z")
Well since it turned out that there isn’t actually any evidence that someone referenced “some other Code”, can we just conclude that there always was that one Code? I have been with CODE. since almost back when it was founded, so I can guarantee you that there always was the same Code and it was with one exception where CCP participated in a minor revision it is still the same as it was back when it was first written. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 12:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/97 "2019-11-15T12:26:00Z")
The written resource yes. But what is in said written resource and what was being preached by a number of CODE. agents does not exactly add up 🙄 It ain’t rocket science bro, I’m speaking simple English here. (Including but not limited according to some of CODE. agents just a concept of mining in imperial space is utmost heresy in itself requiring punishment in a form of suicide gank - such agents used to roam systems in close proximity of vattuloen system around 2016) ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/98 "2019-11-15T12:28:16Z")
It is fine to mine in Highsec if you comply with the Code. It is that simple. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [November 15, 2019, 2:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/99 "2019-11-15T14:51:59Z")
Stop derailing the thread and take the roleplay to Intergalactic Summit forum. [https://forums.eveonline.com/c/fiction-portal/igs](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/fiction-portal/igs) ---
**Author:** ![Bloody\_Larry](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bloody_larry/32/151459_2.png) [@Bloody\_Larry](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bloody_Larry)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 11:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/100 "2019-11-16T11:14:13Z")
Much as CODE is relevant content I have always wondered how bashing newbs helps the game. Which takes us back to the original question regarding how easy Catalyst Ganks are. If you’ve spent 3 months busting your butt to get your first Rattler, & it doesn’t even make it past Uedama ( as an example ), then will that then see you quit the game? As for risk/reward CODE is bored Null-seccers. Always was. And they are not short of ISK. Which takes me back to how you’d check to see if newbs are being over-farmed by bored Null-seccers. > [@Safeties to Green. Or else](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/30): > > Obviously I’m in the camp that says that it should. but… Back to this, and my point about Over-farming Krabs. Obviously Blackout was a fail. To my knowledge anyway. So… I hear people moaning about Gankers on comms, reliably for 4 yrs. Am I right or wrong? CCP have a weak retention rate for newbs. And we need newbs. CCP can see the Account of said newb. Full telemetry access. And they also power zKillboard. So CCP can do this. Here is the idea ( as someone asked me how you’d measure it… ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 12:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/101 "2019-11-16T12:18:42Z")
Why is the discussion always about newbs? It is like the politicians - whenever they want to pass some stupid law, they always have claim that it is somehow “to protect the children.” Your post is nothing but your personal imaginings and assumptions. Code is not all about “bashing newbs” and we are not all “bored nullsecers” ---
**Author:** ![Solecist\_Project](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solecist_project/32/479741_2.png) [@Solecist\_Project](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solecist_Project)\ **Post date:** [November 16, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805/102 "2019-11-16T14:59:21Z")
> [@Xeux](#): > > Why is the discussion always about newbs? Because they’re assholes willing to use any fallacy necessary. Worse, they’re the same assholes who want weak, dependent and obedient children. If this reminds you of religion and the thought, that this nonsense mostly comes from people from the US crossed your mind, then you’d be spot on. There’s a reason why pretty much all of these people, who beg for protection, can do nothing but begging to a higher power. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safeties-to-green-or-else/199805.md?page=6)