# Safety vs. Target icon color **URL:** \ **Category:** New Citizens Q&A\ **Created:** [November 12, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416 "2020-11-12T04:12:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Jett\_Blackheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jett_blackheart/32/232646_2.png) [@Jett\_Blackheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jett_Blackheart)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 4:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/1 "2020-11-12T04:12:22Z")
So… It seems that if you have neutral standings with the Triglavian ships that show up on gates occasionally, that their ship icons are white in color, not red, but even if your “safety” is set to green, you can shoot them, which appears to result in a quick death. Is this a standard mechanic? Isn’t there usually a “proceed with this dangerous act?” warning? ---
**Author:** ![Xeux](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xeux/32/428022_2.png) [@Xeux](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xeux)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 4:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/2 "2020-11-12T04:15:52Z")
The safety setting only applies to other players and some specific Concordable actions. It would never apply to shooting rats - OBVIOUSLY they will shoot back! ---
**Author:** ![Jett\_Blackheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jett_blackheart/32/232646_2.png) [@Jett\_Blackheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jett_Blackheart)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 4:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/3 "2020-11-12T04:18:58Z")
Then what is the coloring for? The Drifters appear red, but never do anything more than scan, which is the same as the Triglavians. I guess I’m curious about the inconsistency of the icon colors. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 4:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/4 "2020-11-12T04:19:27Z")
unlike drifters, you can actually get positive standings straight away with trigs, by attacking edencom. Similar to Diamond Rats, you can be White, blue, or Red with them, depending on standings with their particular Faction. ---
**Author:** ![Jett\_Blackheart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jett_blackheart/32/232646_2.png) [@Jett\_Blackheart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jett_Blackheart)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/5 "2020-11-12T04:20:32Z")
Oh. Ok, so it’s a standings thing. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Terak\_Romaller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/terak_romaller/32/374271_2.png) [@Terak\_Romaller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Terak_Romaller)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 7:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/6 "2020-11-12T07:30:35Z")
The underlying reason for the colour is to warn you when they may attack without warning. A good example are “diamond rats” - those shown with a diamond symbol in the name. If you have a slightly negative standing then they are red. If you are heavily negative they are red and will attack you without warning. If they are blue because you have a slight positive to them, they’ll ignore you. Very positive and their logistics ships will repair you. Interactions between entities in Eve is complex and leads to emergent behaviour - I recall CCP noting that one of the biggest battles in Eve was [NPC v NPC](https://massivelyop.com/2019/06/23/eve-north-2019-a-huge-battle-once-broke-out-in-eve-online-but-not-a-single-player-was-involved/#:~:text=Last%20year's%20Siege%20of%209,a%20fight%20with%20their%20neighbours.) in a system where no Capsuleers were present. I like the idea of us being in a living Cluster rather than just “on rails” entities. But Emergent System behaviour is a tricky thing to balance. CCP should be praised for heading that way. (@CCP_Aurora - please make sure the relevant developers in CCP know it’s appreciated. They get too much abuse here and they do some incredible things) ---
**Author:** ![Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pierre_de_bricassart/32/386093_2.png) [@Pierre\_de\_Bricassart](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pierre_de_Bricassart)\ **Post date:** [November 12, 2020, 8:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/7 "2020-11-12T08:24:40Z")
> [@Jett\_Blackheart](#): > > The Drifters appear red, but never do anything more than scan Did you ever attack a drifter? That’s thrilling! Don’t stay too long on the grid. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/8 "2020-11-17T13:32:37Z")
> [@Jett\_Blackheart](#): > > The Drifters appear red, but never do anything more than scan Try that again with a Frozen Corpse in your Cargo Hold, see what happens. ---
**Author:** ![Miranda\_Farron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/miranda_farron/32/250852_2.png) [@Miranda\_Farron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Miranda_Farron)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2020, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/9 "2020-11-17T13:33:19Z")
> [@Terak\_Romaller](#): > > I recall CCP noting that one of the biggest battles in Eve was [NPC v NPC](https://massivelyop.com/2019/06/23/eve-north-2019-a-huge-battle-once-broke-out-in-eve-online-but-not-a-single-player-was-involved/#:~:text=Last%20year's%20Siege%20of%209,a%20fight%20with%20their%20neighbours.) in a system where no Capsuleers were present. That is awesome. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2021, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/safety-vs-target-icon-color/279416/10 "2021-02-15T13:33:23Z")
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