# Sale and Broker Fees **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [November 10, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205 "2019-11-10T14:44:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 10\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 2:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/1 "2019-11-10T14:44:10Z")
I know that the number of items they can sell are limited to 17 but I was going to set my Alpha to put up sale orders, ive done the broker relations skill but am unable to do the accounting skill. currently my sales/brokers fees sit at a eye watering 9.4%. As I have all the skills I can have on an Alpha I would need to rely on getting corp and faction standings up in order to reduce the % further. Looking at [this](https://support.eveonline.com/hc/en-us/articles/203218962-Broker-Fee-and-Sales-Tax) the only way i can reduce the 5% sales tax is to train accounting (which I cannot do on alpha) or I can reduce brokers fee down to 3% but that still means ill have to pay 8% tax. That hardly seems worth going through the grind of getting those standings up, is there any other way on an alpha account to reduce those fees (without having to sell from a citadel?). Or if I bought a months Omega on an alpha and trained the accounting and other trade related skills, would I “keep” some of those skills when I reverted to alpha (I seem to recall reading that you can use up to 20m SP on an alpha (but can only train up to 5m without buying some kind of time. ---
**Author:** ![Ms\_Steak](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ms_steak/32/168834_2.png) [@Ms\_Steak](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ms_Steak)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/2 "2019-11-10T15:39:57Z")
> [@Giddy\_McFee](#): > > would I “keep” some of those skills when I reverted to alpha no. You only retain skills that are available for Alphas, the rest get locked when you revert. As an alternative you can set up your sale orders at citadels with market service. That way Broker fee will be only what owner has set (it is also unaffected by skills and standings). For example, near Jita such a citadel can be found in Perimeter - only 1 jump away. Shameless self plug: > [@Devblog: Updates to Sales Taxes & Brokers Fees](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/devblog-updates-to-sales-taxes-brokers-fees/178876/59): > > Increased total minimum taxation on NPC structures from 3% to 5.25%. ^ 75% increase For alphas: from 4.3% to 8.9% (107% increase). Suggestion: giving Alphas access to Accounting Lv2 (from 0) and Broker Relations Lv 3 (from 2) will even things out - minimum tax on NPC structures will be 7.5% (74.4% increase compared to 4.3%). It is still a higher increase in absolute amount of extra ISK they have to pay. Increased total minimum taxation on NPC structures from 3% to 5.25%. Suggestion: inc… Imo, restricting market PvP ability of alphas might negatively affect ISK velocity (market activity) which is bad for the game. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/3 "2019-11-10T17:21:00Z")
If you have patience to sacrifice volume sales, you can mark up items higher in under-served areas. Look for where item X isn’t for sale. At least you aren’t paying real money, while you wait. ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/4 "2019-11-10T18:38:42Z")
@Ms_Steak looks like that may be my only option, i a dubious about markets in player owned citadels as they can pull the plug whenever they want. @Circumstantial_Evidence - that is an option but with only 17 sales order slots it would be pretty restrictive ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 3:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/5 "2019-11-11T03:34:48Z")
It is restrictive, Alpha status is a fancy way of saying ‘unlimited trial account’. However, you are only limited to _ **running** _ one character at a time… you can make more than one account: log one out, log another in. It’s just a question of how much you feel like managing and keeping track of. ---
**Author:** ![Scoots\_Choco](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scoots_choco/32/262262_2.png) [@Scoots\_Choco](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scoots_Choco)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 3:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/6 "2019-11-11T03:59:12Z")
> [@Giddy\_McFee](#): > > i a dubious about markets in player owned citadels as they can pull the plug whenever they want. It would be reputational suicide for anyone to open a public market and then turn around to pull the plug. They wouldn’t gain anything (all the items would just drop and end up getting Asset Safety’d away) and they would just lose all respect from everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/circumstantial_evidence/32/399551_2.png) [@Circumstantial\_Evidence](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Circumstantial_Evidence)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 4:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/7 "2019-11-11T04:58:27Z")
ohhh, but it happens 😉 ichooseyou was specially selected to have some difficulties, a while back. ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/8 "2019-11-11T06:03:18Z")
and its come back to bite him… he is giving refunds to anybody who has invested in his little venture since he recently changed to 0% interest. ---
**Author:** ![Giddy\_McFee](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/giddy_mcfee/32/375711_2.png) [@Giddy\_McFee](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Giddy_McFee)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2019, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/9 "2019-11-11T11:37:58Z")
ill give it a try at a small scale, see what happens ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sale-and-broker-fees/200205/10 "2020-02-09T11:37:59Z")
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