# Salvaging Wrecks that are not yours **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [July 16, 2020, 2:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153 "2020-07-16T02:47:19Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/41 "2020-07-16T04:56:48Z")
> [@DarkSide\_ofa\_BrightClown](#): > > Excuse me? Then why do ‘my’ wrecks turn yellow to others? I don’t think you thought through your response in a rush to be the the first reply. You want to try that again? I’m in a good mood so… ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 6:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/42 "2020-07-16T06:10:08Z")
The part where I talked about Noctis perhaps? Like I said. you haven’t been reading. ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 8:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/43 "2020-07-16T08:11:00Z")
_slow clap_ Cherry picking arguments and personal attacks stand you in such good stead. You used an ambiguous word (‘salvagers’), leading to confusion about what your suggestion meant with regard to continued solo operation vs use of multiple players. I acknowledged this in my edit posted well before your latests response, but you refuse to acknowledge that in turn and stick with insults. I’m utterly baffled at your goal post shifting here. Do defend and protect not mean the same thing to you? You’re literally contradicting yourself, all to be able to claim I have failed to read your posts. > And before you come up with stupid ways, note I said practical. > > This is why I made the proposal I did above as that provides a practical way to defend your salvage, while not letting you just sit on it till they despawn. > A second pilot in tow A: Does bad things to site payouts, B: Is part of the suggestion I’m making anyway. And C: Again doesn’t protect the salvage, just takes part in a clicky race. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/44 "2020-07-16T10:41:57Z")
Definitely a hard no. You ‘own’ the loot in the wrecks and that’s why they belong to you. But the salvage is first come first serve. Regardless if it’s where most of the reward is. You think you’ve ‘done the work’ that entitles you to rewards. You haven’t. Shooting the ships is half the job. Salvaging is the rest. Salvagers going suspect will just stop people salvaging and less people taking part in the invasions as a whole. ---
**Author:** ![Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/manweru_cemenotar/32/230368_2.png) [@Manweru\_Cemenotar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Manweru_Cemenotar)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 10:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/45 "2020-07-16T10:52:50Z")
TIL: You don’t turn suspect when salvaging yellow wreck ---
**Author:** ![Jerry\_Falcone](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jerry_falcone/32/167073_2.png) [@Jerry\_Falcone](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jerry_Falcone)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 11:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/46 "2020-07-16T11:02:36Z")
And that’s what started this whole argument. CCP added really nice salvage to the wrecks in abyssal sites and ninja salvagers are taking advantage of it. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 11:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/47 "2020-07-16T11:19:43Z")
Hold on, you make the kill and the salvage isn’t yours ? Only the contents ? When pirates attacked a ship, they took all the contents in the hull and if the ship was still navigable they’d tow it and often added it to their pirate fleet. Clearly, the WHOLE thing became their property, with the choice to sink it or tow it: " _Even though pirates raided many ships, few, if any, buried their treasure. Often, the “treasure” that was stolen was food, water, alcohol, weapons, or clothing. Other things they stole were household items like bits of soap and gear like rope and anchors, or sometimes they would keep the ship they captured (either to sell off or keep because it was better than their ship)._" > **[Piracy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracy)** > > Piracy is an act of robbery or criminal violence by ship or boat-borne attackers upon another ship or a coastal area, typically with the goal of stealing cargo and other valuable items or properties. Those who engage in acts of piracy are called pirates, while dedicated ships that are used by them are called pirate ships. The earliest documented instances of piracy were in the 14th century BC, when the Sea Peoples, a group of ocean raiders, attacked the ships of the Aegean and Mediterranean c... That salvage mechanic as it stands doesn’t make any sense but then again, starships stopping on a dime in space doesn’t make any sense either. 🤣 ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Hadden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_hadden/32/414325_2.png) [@Mark\_Hadden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Hadden)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/48 "2020-07-16T12:23:22Z")
these discussions still go on XD wrecks aren’t yours. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/49 "2020-07-16T12:35:26Z")
> [@Jerry\_Falcone](#): > > And that’s what started this whole argument. CCP added really nice salvage to the wrecks in abyssal sites and ninja salvagers are taking advantage of it. So salvage it yourself. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > Hold on, you make the kill and the salvage isn’t yours ? Only the contents ? Yep. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > When pirates attacked a ship, No one cares. ‘but real life’ is a bad argument. Ninja salvaging is good gameplay and a worthwhile profession accessible to new bros. This is yet another attempt by entitled farmers to take away opportunities from others. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/50 "2020-07-16T12:44:55Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > No one cares. ‘but real life’ is a bad argument. No, _you_ don’t care but you can’t speak for the entire community unless you were voted to. And real life is relevant because the game is played by real-life people and designed by real-life people who have grown up to learn certain things that they have applied as mechanics in the game they have created. And Piracy applies to EVE as well and is still practiced to this day in real life. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Ninja salvaging is good gameplay and a worthwhile profession accessible to new bros. Yes, I’m not arguing that fact. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > This is yet another attempt by entitled farmers to take away opportunities from others. I’m not trying to take anything from anyone: > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > But I have no problem with that whatsoever. Some changes would be good for the overall game but I personally don’t care. It’s a beautiful game and I will continue to play it as long as I can mine and manufacture my own stuff with minimal ISK loss. Also, I’m not your enemy 😀 ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/51 "2020-07-16T12:56:14Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > And real life is relevant because the game is played by real-life people and designed by real-life people who have grown up to learn certain things that they have applied as mechanics in the game they have created. …but as Eve is purely a game of fiction, they are free to do whatever they want free from “yaar, there be pirates” because you know, that was a big issue a while back. Opening the “because real life” Pandora’s Box is not something you should go to lightly in a game like Eve…ARMA? Sure…COD? Why not…PUBG? Probably? Super Mario World? NOPE! ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/52 "2020-07-16T12:56:17Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > No, _you_ don’t care but you can’t speak for the entire community unless you were voted to. On this, i feel i can. Drawing a comparison between real life and the game is a useful mental aid or inspiration. But not an argument in itself. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I’m not trying to take anything from anyone: The OP is. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/53 "2020-07-16T13:01:11Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Drawing a comparison between real life and the game is a useful mental aid or inspiration. But not an argument in itself. I wasn’t arguing anything, you’re the one you responded to my post, not the other way around. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > The OP is. Then respond to the OP, not me. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > On this, i feel i can. Feeeelings, nothing more than feeeeeelings… Feelings are far from reality. I feel that men should kneel before me but just because I feel it doesn’t make it real. ---
**Author:** ![Daichi\_Yamato](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daichi_yamato/32/252995_2.png) [@Daichi\_Yamato](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daichi_Yamato)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/54 "2020-07-16T13:06:02Z")
> [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > I wasn’t arguing anything, you’re the one you responded to my post, not the other way around. I’m sorry. I thought i took care to press the ‘reply to topic’ button and not to your post. My post was intended for the OP. > [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](#): > > Feeeelings, nothing more than feeeeeelings… > Feelings are far from reality. I feel that men should kneel before me but just because I feel it doesn’t make it real. Alright then. I really can if i want. And let the individuals that don’t agree with that particular sentiment, cause i know they are few, say so and I’ll tell them how they’re wrong or hypocrites. ---
**Author:** ![Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yonna_leczarovitz/32/218320_2.png) [@Yonna\_Leczarovitz](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yonna_Leczarovitz)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/55 "2020-07-16T13:14:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I really can if i want. And let the individuals that don’t agree with that particular sentiment, cause i know they are few, say so and I’ll tell them how they’re wrong or hypocrites. Of course you can speak for the entire community but it won’t be legitimate, it won’t be cannon. And the lack of rebuttal from every single member doesn’t validate your statement. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > I’m sorry. I thought i took care to press the ‘reply to topic’ button and not to your post. Apology accepted. We all make mistakes, no one is perfect, least of all me. ---
**Author:** ![Buggs\_LeRoach](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/buggs_leroach/32/376676_2.png) [@Buggs\_LeRoach](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Buggs_LeRoach)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/56 "2020-07-16T13:29:37Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > There in lies the issue. CCP set the rules when salvage wasn’t the big value, not so … salvage was very high value but only empty wrecks could be salvaged … this was unpopular so that requirement was removed and ccp let the chips fall where they may and people have been crying about ‘salvage thieves’ ever since . ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 2:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/57 "2020-07-16T14:20:55Z")
They are not a thief if the salvage is open to anyone. ---
**Author:** ![Karynn\_Denton](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karynn_denton/32/468090_2.png) [@Karynn\_Denton](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karynn_Denton)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/58 "2020-07-16T14:46:02Z")
> [@DarkSide\_ofa\_BrightClown](#): > > Get with the times, things are changing, whether you like it or not. The rules of salvage ownership are changing? Citation, perchance? ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/59 "2020-07-16T16:16:01Z")
> [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > less people taking part in the invasions as a whole. Ninja salvaging is not “participation” any more than vermin feasting on corpses littering a battlefield are contributing to a war effort. > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > Ninja salvaging is good gameplay and a worthwhile profession accessible to new bros. It is and should/would continue to be a thing > [@Daichi\_Yamato](#): > > This is yet another attempt by entitled farmers to take away opportunities from others. False: suspect flag introduces PVP opportunity, not deterrence: > [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > - Enables owner to legally attack thief whereas this might not have been allowed previously without being CONCORDed = PVP opportunity > - Enables thief to engage in suspect baiting to trick owner to legally attack them without either party being CONCORDed = PVP opportunity > - Lower sec status might turn them permaflashy, which makes them constantly fairgame in HS Even if it was a deterrence… who are the carebears/krabbers here? The ones who want the phat lewt without the PVP - those are the carebears/krabbers. If you want the goods, be willing to fight for them just like everyone else did to turn the ship into a wreck to begin with. “Touch my ■■■■, and I’ll kill you” - this is the way of EVE. One man’s trash is another man’s PVP legality flag. ---
**Author:** ![Zombie\_Ellecon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zombie_ellecon/32/264152_2.png) [@Zombie\_Ellecon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zombie_Ellecon)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2020, 5:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153/60 "2020-07-16T17:47:12Z")
Now that wrecks drop valuable items you want to change it so that’s it’s yours only ? For a long time very few even cared. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153.md?page=2) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/salvaging-wrecks-that-are-not-yours/255153.md?page=4)