# Sandbox Design Mistakes **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [June 6, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120 "2020-06-06T18:01:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 7:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/219 "2020-06-14T07:02:33Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > The thread veered wildly off topic literally more than 100 posts ago. Not like you did not participate in that off-topic. Funny that you complain about what other people do, while doing it yourself. Having double standards is so convenient, that you can be a complete X while calling other people X and not realize the stupidity of your self. (insert whatever for X - here it’s off-topic or thread hijacker) ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 7:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/220 "2020-06-14T07:12:58Z")
Oh I know what I’m doing 🙃 You might recall I made an explicit attempt to steer the conversation back on track very early on from irrelevant semantic discussion (post #25): > [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > I’m pretty sure @Zoiie and @Anderson_Geten are smart enough to know what he meant. So perhaps the focus can be on his unambiguous meaning (especially since there are multiple contexts in which the term “instance” is both appropriate and applicable) rather than whether or not he was conforming to proper linguistic usage of terminology 🙄 I participated a bit afterward in hopes that it would go back on track. It didn’t. So now why should I take the thread seriously? Not even OP is taking his own thread’s original purpose seriously - he accepts this thread for what it has become: a mud pit. Now that the thread is a mud pit… might as well get dirty. Not much of a double standard if the standards for the thread itself were lowered. Anyway, I’m just amused - and not at all surprised - as to who the guilty parties are in repeatedly, irreparably derailing this thread. > _Rule of Repair: Repair what you can — but when you must fail, fail noisily and as soon as possible._ - Eric Steven Raymond, The Art of Unix Programming # Place Your Bets! Which moderator will be the one to close this thread? _Poll ([view on site](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/220))_ . ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 7:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/221 "2020-06-14T07:31:17Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Oh I know what I’m doing 🙃 Yeah, that’s called trolling and not doing constructive posts. Which are against the rules. Also topic derailing when you admit the discussion has derailed already but then proceed to claim I am wrong - without making any argument in that sense, which is incidentally spam. So you are consciously derailing the thread, trolling, spamming the forum. It’s conscious because “you know what you are doing”. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:37am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/222 "2020-06-14T09:37:26Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Barstorlode already saw this in a different thread and didn’t take it down. He has a sense of humor He was just not online yet to take it down. Nobody witnessed him having a sense of humor. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/223 "2020-06-14T09:39:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > Having double standards You know all about it, don’t you? You repeatedly ask ISD to ban people from the forums for throwing insults around when you yourself are evenly guilty of this behaviour. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 9:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/224 "2020-06-14T09:54:52Z")
> [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](#): > > You know all about it, don’t you? You repeatedly ask ISD to ban people from the forums for throwing insults around when you yourself are evenly guilty of this behaviour. @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode Also, when are we going to have a infinite time blocking feature ? It’s good that it’s became 6month instead of … whatever it was, but when people clearly lack the ability to bring anything to the construction, they won’t ever change and there is no point in unblocking them after 6 months. ---
**Author:** ![Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/archer_en_tilavine/32/461718_2.png) [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Archer_en_Tilavine)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 10:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/225 "2020-06-14T10:22:05Z")
I would imagine ISDs eventually ignore members who repeatedly tag them/flag posts AND whose tags/flags ended up being a complete and total waste of their time :facepalm: I’m still running a poll! Be sure to vote! > [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > # Place Your Bets! Which moderator will be the one to close this thread? > > (Jump to this post to see poll and vote) ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 10:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/226 "2020-06-14T10:38:50Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > whatever it was, but when people clearly lack the ability to bring anything to the construction You’re a ■■■■■■■ hyprocrite. That is what I brought to the ‘construction’. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 12:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/227 "2020-06-14T12:16:41Z")
So you like meat popsicles ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/228 "2020-06-14T13:35:34Z")
Imagine crying to the moderators over and over. What a crybaby. For what it is worth, I rather enjoyed the little debate about dynamic memory allocation, and was not surprised to see that Geten doesn’t know half as much as she thinks she does. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/229 "2020-06-14T14:25:49Z")
> [@Archer\_en\_Tilavine](#): > > Aye. It is time to summon him - to close the thread. The thread veered wildly off topic literally more than 100 posts ago. I got a better idea: @ISD_Dorrim_Barstorlode these people are obviously trolling each other, can you just whack the last 100 post right off the thread and if they don’t stop give them a posting vacation? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/230 "2020-06-14T14:47:14Z")
A better solution is to just stop moderating. It’s a waste of time and effort. ---
**Author:** ![Zoiie](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zoiie/32/292363_2.png) [@Zoiie](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zoiie)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 2:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/231 "2020-06-14T14:48:49Z")
Eve is dying, we shouldn’t bother ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/232 "2020-06-14T16:09:19Z")
> [@Zoiie](#): > > Eve is dying, we shouldn’t bother eve is not dying we are… ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/233 "2020-06-14T16:11:35Z")
I would say the CSM is a sandbox failure since you basically either get the same people every time or are always getting from the same group every time. At this point and this many years is there any surprise left in what the perspective of these players are? How many years do CCP employees have to hear the same things from the same people before they know what next year is going to be or the year after or the year after that? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/234 "2020-06-14T16:19:27Z")
> [@Sugar\_Smacks](#): > > I would say the CSM is a sandbox failure Why? What does the CSM stop you from doing in game? ---
**Author:** ![Sugar\_Smacks](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sugar_smacks/32/430124_2.png) [@Sugar\_Smacks](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sugar_Smacks)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/235 "2020-06-14T16:20:21Z")
It wastes resources on more useful things at this point. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/236 "2020-06-14T16:25:16Z")
Well that’s reassuringly vague. ---
**Author:** ![Sir\_Chokes\_Alot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sir_chokes_alot/32/212512_2.png) [@Sir\_Chokes\_Alot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sir_Chokes_Alot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/237 "2020-06-14T16:39:22Z")
One thing is a certainty in eve, ccp can never do anything right…except resub people 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Merin\_Ryskin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/merin_ryskin/32/259354_2.png) [@Merin\_Ryskin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Merin_Ryskin)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2020, 5:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120/238 "2020-06-14T17:21:13Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > A better solution is to just stop moderating. It’s a waste of time and effort. Alas, CCP’s new owners would never permit an unmoderated forum where topics China wants suppressed are permitted. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sandbox-design-mistakes/247120.md?page=12)