# Sauce for the Gander

**URL:** <https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784>\
**Category:** General Discussion\
**Created:** [December 31, 2020, 4:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784 "2020-12-31T16:50:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 8\
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**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/163 "2021-01-02T02:21:15Z")

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The game isn’t as simple as just pigeon holing people as either PVPer or PVEer, etc. (although carebears will whinge and whine no matter what style of play they prefer).

> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#):
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> That means for all the folks who want the perks of being a ‘pirate’ they get to be treated like one…

Multiple accounts make this a trivial issue.

Here’s the ship command skills on my pvp/pirate main, versus the ship command skills on one of my alts:

| PVP Main | One alt |
| --- | --- |
| ![278x500](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/0/3/039143c0103ea603b89f6259e2348224813fb64a.png) | ![332x500](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/c/3c67f9c2b4f132cb20b5a47ec58da34672772a48.png) |

Then there are the industry skills on my non-pvp alts and characters that live in highsec permanently to support hauling, all with good sec status.

The ability to have multiple characters makes work arounds easy to use.

> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#):
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> after all, if those kinds of changes rae good for the ‘carebears’, then they should be equally as good for the PVP and Gankers, no?

Just don’t be a carebear and all changes are ok, no matter what they are, or what playstyle a particular character is trained for.

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**Author:** ![Tharvus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharvus/32/246994_2.png) [@Tharvus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharvus)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 4:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/164 "2021-01-02T04:50:05Z")

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Good post, you’d _think_ this is obvious and shouldn’t need explaining but apparently some people are so much into group thinking they can’t accept this basic logic about players having different play styles on different characters. It’s like some carebear threatening to quit going “who will make your ship now huh!”, well WE will. Duh.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 9:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/165 "2021-01-02T09:00:10Z")

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> [@Mr\_Epeen](#):
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> Do you ever stop admitting to things nobody accused you of?

Okay, so as per this …

> [@Mr\_Epeen](#):
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> every high sec dweller with the same brush

… you indirectly claim that every highsec dweller is a carebear …  
… because only carebears are “being tarred” with the same brush.

It’s actually pretty clear that not all highsec dwellers are being “tarred” with the same brush.  
Only carebears. Not all highsec dwellers are carebears. Carebears are the only ones many have a problem with.

For someone who’s been around for as long as you are …  
… it’s really weird that there’s any need to correct you on this matter.

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**Author:** ![Rekindle](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/rekindle/32/382332_2.png) [@Rekindle](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Rekindle)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/166 "2021-01-02T14:34:10Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> For someone who’s been around for as long as you are …  
> … it’s really weird that there’s any need to correct you on this matter.

What I find confusing and difficult to accept is someone who has as much experience and intelligence as you can not see beyond 1998 Ultima Online references to character playstyles.

You think you are engaging in intelligent and meaningful conversation. What is really coming out is more subjective drivel about how blue is a better colour than red.

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**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 2:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/167 "2021-01-02T14:46:15Z")

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> [@Rekindle](#):
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> You think you are engaging in intelligent and meaningful conversation.

I don’t, actually. That’s only barely possible within this environment.  
Just look at @Mkikaden_Tiragen. One of the best posters around.  
Eloquent, thoughtful, but ultimately fighting windmills.

A highlight was just recently someone admitting he might be wrong.  
That’s one guy out of hundreds who’s actually _trying_ to learn something.

…

We can try, though.

> [@Rekindle](#):
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> What I find confusing and difficult to accept is someone who has as much experience and intelligence as you can not see beyond 1998 Ultima Online references to character playstyles.

Serious question: Why is it confusing and difficult for you to accept?  
If you shed more light on this, maybe I’m able to shed some light on it myself.

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**Author:** ![Tharvus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tharvus/32/246994_2.png) [@Tharvus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tharvus)\
**Post date:** [January 2, 2021, 3:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/168 "2021-01-02T15:11:54Z")

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> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#):
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> Serious question: Why is it confusing and difficult for you to accept?

It’s nothing more than “anyone involved in nonconsensual PVP is by default a degenerate and should be treated as such”, just with more smoke and mirrors. He took your “carebears” remark personal and lashed out.

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**Author:** ![Trakoro\_Tolada](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/trakoro_tolada/32/248953_2.png) [@Trakoro\_Tolada](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Trakoro_Tolada)\
**Post date:** [January 4, 2021, 5:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/169 "2021-01-04T17:24:59Z")

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Scoots is a balos alt…

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**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\
**Post date:** [April 4, 2021, 5:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sauce-for-the-gander/287784/170 "2021-04-04T17:25:00Z")

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