# Scarcity, how the gankers don't want you to see and think about it **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [December 5, 2020, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755 "2020-12-05T15:21:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Shipwreck\_Jones](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shipwreck_jones/32/274382_2.png) [@Shipwreck\_Jones](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shipwreck_Jones)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 7:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/41 "2020-12-06T07:36:52Z")
The easiest way to deal with gankers is to not fly ganker bait. Anyway, I’m by no means an expert price manipulation, but I’ve never seen anyone try to manipulate prices on entire categories of items. I’ve only seen them do it with select items, and even then, it was never on things that could be produced. Which makes sense, right? Players can’t do anything to increase the drop rates of particular meta or faction mods. However, industrialists can quickly change what they produce. I mean, increasing production on things like capital ships would certainly take a significant amount of time and effort, but things like T1 and T2 tackle mods can be churned out in mass even by industrialists under a year old. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 8:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/42 "2020-12-06T08:40:31Z")
Evidence that the OP didn’t actually thought this through … … and just posted on a whim, because he thought he had a smart idea … … is the fact that he’s talking about some of the most common goods … … is the fact that meta items _drop_ … … is the fact that people will just build and use meta0 items … … and the fact that an _actual_ item shortage … … will lead to an actual _mineral_ shortage caused by the craze for building meta0 items … … which would _massively_ increase the amount of miner ganking … … not just, but also because nothing outpaces the ore/hr you get from ganking filled mining ships. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/43 "2020-12-06T09:09:10Z")
wasn’t talking about price manipulation at all, just a change in how folks do some things. when you get loot drops of ganker toys, instead of just dropping them on the market, get the minerals from them. if you stop thousands of tiny leaks, you’d be surprised what an effect that has on a flood of things. ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/44 "2020-12-06T09:15:05Z")
So, you can’t grasp certain concepts then. miners and industrialists don’t -need- ganker toys to do their thing. if they realize if the don’t -make- the ganker toys, then it increases the odds of not having them used against them. if the gankers are busy having to farm ganker toys, then that is time they won’t be spent ganking, which is a benefit to the miners and industrialists nope, no thought involved at all… sounds more like the gankers aren’t liking where this chain of thought is heading. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/45 "2020-12-06T09:25:03Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > if the gankers are busy having to farm ganker toys, then that is time they won’t be spent ganking, which is a benefit to the miners and industrialists I don’t know what’s so hard for you to grasp about the fact that the best ore/hr comes from ganking filled mining ships. Letting others do the work and then stealing it from them is the best way to gain ore _period_. Plus, we can use alts! Have mining ships mine afk, gank another mining ship while we’re at it. Unlike people like yourself we don’t actually get ganked, because all we need is a tiny part of the window to be open … … so we can see the overview … … while being aligned at slow speeds … … and a ready-made right-click menu allowing to warp out as soon as something warps onto grid. People like myself know how to play this game. Unlike you, who’s just a perpetual loser posting because he’s literally butthurt about getting ganked. You believe people like myself are as incapable as you, but we are not! We’re better than you and the likes of you … … in every single ■■■■■■■ way … … and no matter what you come up with … … you’ll _always_ be at a disadvantage. Why? Because _we_ shoot people to get what we want. All YOU can do is _beg_. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/46 "2020-12-06T09:28:42Z")
and there we have it folks, Sol announces what a huge hypocrite he is… all his talk about how AFK BOT MINING IS CANCER and then he says this > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Plus, we can use alts! Have mining ships mine afk, gank another mining ship while we’re at it. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/47 "2020-12-06T09:30:51Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > all his talk about how AFK BOT MINING IS CANCER You’re right. Good call. Is it AFK when I actually watch the overview, but am alttabbed out? No, actually not! My bad! 😃 In any case, if that’s _all_ you have then I’m sure you’re _well aware_ of how ■■■■■■ you truly are. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/48 "2020-12-06T09:32:03Z")
well, if being consistent and honest is a problem, I’ll just have to live with it I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/49 "2020-12-06T09:32:25Z")
Not to forget you’re a liar, too. 🙂 And a massive crybaby as evidenced by _your whole posting history!_ 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/50 "2020-12-06T09:34:40Z")
oh, would you care to point out the lie… would it look something like this > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > Plus, we can use alts! Have mining ships mine afk, gank another mining ship while we’re at it. > [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > s it AFK when I actually watch the overview, but am alttabbed out? well, if you are watching the overview, then it makes my earlier assessment that if they are attentively mining, then they can’t be ganking at the same time true, no? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/51 "2020-12-06T09:38:22Z")
Well, see the above post. It’s not actually afk. I’m still at the keyboard. The overview of the mining window is set up at the right side of the screen. All ships, boosted Orca + 3 Covetors\*\*, are constantly aligned towards a bookmark. The whole fleet is equipped with a higgs rig and fitted for max yield. All ships are spiderwebbing, dropping max velocity to 8msec. All ships are always aligned and moving towards a bookmark. The rightclick menu to fleet-warp to the bookmark can be suspended while alttabbing out. Testing revealed that it takes me _one_ second to warp out. You can try as hard as you like … … if my mistake of calling it afk is all you have … … then you’re well aware of how ■■■■■■ you truly are … … which, I guess, is also another reason why you can’t stop posting about that what you hate. 🙂 You’re a loser and it’s hilarious. 😃 _\*\*(I’ve replaced one of those with a Hulk eventually and then stopped because it got too easy and boring to clean belts in perfect safety.)_ ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/52 "2020-12-06T09:40:02Z")
> [@Solstice\_Projekt](#): > > … which, I guess, is also another reason why you can’t stop posting about that what you hate. 🙂 > > You’re a loser and it’s hilarious. 😃 Sol, you really really need to stop talking down about yourself so much, folks might question your self esteem. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/53 "2020-12-06T09:40:34Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > you really really need to stop talking down about yourself so much, folks might question your self esteem. “I KNOW YOU ARE BUT WHAT AM I” … … how old are you again? ---
**Author:** ![Avatar\_Sky-on](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/avatar_sky-on/32/244417_2.png) [@Avatar\_Sky-on](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Avatar_Sky-on)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/54 "2020-12-06T09:41:13Z")
Sol, did it hit a nerve, by pointing out your own logic bites you in the ass? ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/55 "2020-12-06T09:48:33Z")
Also noteworthy is that he’s really _clinging_ to this now … … and he doesn’t even understand why he’s wrong … … even after explaining it to him. He just _can’t._ He’s stuck in that one specific direction. 🙂 > [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > did it hit a nerve This reminds me of the others. They never could come up with their own lines. Anyhow … I’m pretty sure my logic doesn’t “bite me” in the ass … … but as you apparently know better … … please tell me something. Do you really believe one can’t mine on one account … … while suicide ganking on another, at the same time? We both know that I’m not actually afk. If _you_ knew what I am talking about in my post above … … then you’d know that there’s no way of getting ganked with my setup. So it’s clear that, if you knew how to properly play this game … … you’d know there’s no actual issue ganking and mining at the same time. I really want to keep this going, btw. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/56 "2020-12-06T09:51:40Z")
@Avatar_Sky-on arguing with this elite here cannot really help us in game . We should get out from losers’ attitude. ---
**Author:** ![Solstice\_Projekt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solstice_projekt/32/503293_2.png) [@Solstice\_Projekt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solstice_Projekt)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/57 "2020-12-06T09:55:14Z")
> [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](#): > > We should get out from losers’ attitude. That would be GREAT … … but FIRST … … they need to _realize_ they’re losers. Only then they can start trying being winners. Now, as it is, all the crying carebears on the forums have nothing but their words … … while thinking high of themselves. Btw, have you joined anti-ganking already? ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 9:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/58 "2020-12-06T09:59:21Z")
How will I join seeing some attitudes of my fellow carebears. Instead of offering some anti Ganking method they are here arguing and being salty. ---
**Author:** ![Gerard\_Amatin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gerard_amatin/32/481361_2.png) [@Gerard\_Amatin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gerard_Amatin)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/59 "2020-12-06T11:01:20Z")
> [@Avatar\_Sky-on](#): > > wasn’t talking about price manipulation at all, just a change in how folks do some things. > when you get loot drops of ganker toys, instead of just dropping them on the market, get the minerals from them. if you stop thousands of tiny leaks, you’d be surprised what an effect that has on a flood of things. This could theoretically work, if those ‘thousands of tiny leaks’ all work together against the evil ganker menace. I find it more likely that some of those industrialists, even if you exclude all the industrialists that occasionally gank others, would prefer the profit of selling those modules for a now higher price, rather than working united against those gankers and losing potential money. And in the end, if you do get all industrialists to stop selling ganker modules, what stops gankers from creating their own modules on an alt? You make a mistake to assume that, just because you as industrialist would never gank, others are the same as you. Other industrialists may enjoy ganking, and gankers may enjoy producing items. You will never get all industrialists to withhold all ganker modules and that is why your plan will fail. ---
**Author:** ![Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/neo_bladedrifter/32/244232_2.png) [@Neo\_Bladedrifter](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Neo_Bladedrifter)\ **Post date:** [December 6, 2020, 11:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/scarcity-how-the-gankers-dont-want-you-to-see-and-think-about-it/283755/60 "2020-12-06T11:08:34Z")
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