# Sec status jurisdiction (Not faction standing **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec, pvp\ **Created:** [October 3, 2021, 1:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710 "2021-10-03T13:39:22Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/102 "2021-10-04T15:28:49Z")
Mute point. It’s pretty much impossible to monitor every little thing they do online. Had an issue with wierdos on discord with her mincraft though so she’s banned from that XD ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/103 "2021-10-04T15:42:55Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > monitor every little thing they do online. Not really most isps provided plenty of tools to check in on those sorts of things. Even let you flag types of sites. So your not outright blocking them but you’ll get a notification and can look more into it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/104 "2021-10-04T16:21:22Z")
Im still disagreeing. Having the cops after me doesnt stop me doing anything at all, its utterly inconsequencial. Not being able to use Station Facilities stops me doing some things. vOv ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/105 "2021-10-04T16:43:07Z")
It is factional, but you said you want factions to care about your PvP activity. That’s the part of the game where the target of your PvP matters to the factions, rather than the _criminality_ of your PvP. Criminality is a universal function, _on purpose_. CONCORD was established via treaties between all of the empires as a joint effort because **capsuleers are insanely powerful** and the empires would love to just banish them from their space but they cannot - so they work together to punish the most dangerous capsuleers - those who outright flaunt the _universal_ laws of empire space. Amarr doesn’t care that an outlaw is hunting other capsuleers in Minmatar space, they care that the outlaw has demonstrated willingness to break the laws enshrined in the CONCORD treaties. Don’t want CONCORD to attack you? Don’t consistently break the laws enshrined in the treaty between the Empires - or, if you do, _pay them off_ to get back into higher security standings again. It is nearly trivial to keep/recover high security status, or to do all your criminal acts on a dedicated outlaw character so you can keep moving your non-outlaw characters through high sec unimpeded. Changing sec status to be yet another layer of faction-dependent standings instead of a universal value does not improve gameplay, because the negative impacts of being an outlaw are so damn easy to manage around. If you are worried about those effects - ASK FOR HELP in understanding how to deal with them, don’t propose taking away the few teeth sec status has for literally no reason beyond ‘it would be easier’. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/106 "2021-10-04T18:08:39Z")
I have outright blocked discord and minecraft. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/107 "2021-10-04T18:11:43Z")
No. Concord sec status i reckon should be tied to faction space. It’s still concord but it is dynamic relative to where you pvp, rather than just a blanket sec status. The same sort of way it is in Elite dangerous. It would still be concord but it would raise or lower relative to your crime in different areas of space. It would be more dynamic. But yes people have said thag the lore is the lore. I reckon The lore could be that concord strike a new deal to ease the workload. Something like that. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 6:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/108 "2021-10-04T18:13:01Z")
Oh look a fair point XD I wouldn’t like station eervices being affected no. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/109 "2021-10-04T21:21:47Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > But yes people have said thag the lore is the lore. People just used the lore to explain how the game mechanics are laid down. Since they don’t agree the game mechanics need to be changed, changing the lore is also unecessary. You are yet to present a convincing argument. And no, “I prefer how it is done inn ED” is not a convincing argument. ---
**Author:** ![Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/duella_cre_vil/32/297348_2.png) [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Duella_Cre_Vil)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/110 "2021-10-04T21:33:12Z")
I don’t have to convince you. Saying "yeah but this is how it is so it cant be changed " isn’t convincing either XD So you prefer it how it is. You know that that is pretty much all you should really say. You dont have to keep hammering home “this is how it is so no”. I know how it is and I’d like a change to a more dynamic concord sec status. I don’t need to convince you and actually, posting on the forum is the completey incorrect channel to be sharing ideas XD ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [October 4, 2021, 9:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/111 "2021-10-04T21:37:26Z")
Guess what, no convincing is necessary to keep things as they currently are is the change that requires effort. So, you have an issue, not me. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 12:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/112 "2021-10-05T00:32:54Z")
Why should you be able to kill people and lose sec status in amarr space but keep a positive status in caldari space? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/113 "2021-10-05T07:21:10Z")
Doesnt FW already basically allow this anyway? ---
**Author:** ![Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mkikaden_tiragen/32/243913_2.png) [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mkikaden_Tiragen)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 1:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/114 "2021-10-05T13:35:16Z")
> [@Duella\_Cre\_Vil](#): > > The same sort of way it is in Elite dangerous A bad comparison, because the effects of the criminality standing status in ED are quite different from EVE - making this kind of regional status necessary in ED but pointless in EVE. ---
**Author:** ![Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/lugh_crow-slave/32/441552_2.png) [@Lugh\_Crow-Slave](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Lugh_Crow-Slave)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2021, 9:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/115 "2021-10-05T21:05:51Z")
Pretty much but I think she wants to limit the number of people that can shoot back. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [January 3, 2022, 9:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/sec-status-jurisdiction-not-faction-standing/330710/116 "2022-01-03T21:06:40Z")
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