# Secrets Of The Abyss - Event Feedback Thread **URL:** \ **Category:** Announcements\ **Tags:** feedback, official, live-event\ **Created:** [August 21, 2018, 9:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548 "2018-08-21T09:45:26Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Shado\_Step](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shado_step/32/91225_2.png) [@Shado\_Step](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shado_Step)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/161 "2018-08-22T14:39:32Z")
They’re not ---
**Author:** ![Alderson\_Point](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alderson_point/32/171891_2.png) [@Alderson\_Point](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alderson_Point)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/162 "2018-08-22T14:55:35Z")
they are not worth running at the lower levels and this event certainly doesn’t change this. now the task that contains enough points to realistically complete the event is not resetting at downtime, so without doing L5 abyssals makes that totally impossible. the other half reasonable task (that I understand gives the ancillary mutaplasmids, resets every 24 hours letting you gain a few minimal points unless you have a few hundred million to buy and risk the advanced mutaplasmids, and bling modules, just on the chance that rumour is true. so day 2 (day one was wasted when all progress and rewards was reset) and no possible way to actually achieve event completion, (as I am NOT going to risk a multibillion isk ship and pod, on l5 when the connection may drop at any moment killing me). This is the worst thought out event conceived to date and takes ABSOLUTELY no account of how severe and intense abyssal play is or can be. It simply doubles down on proving that no one on the team has ANY idea of what playing with the abyss involves. This is without pointing out that ten seconds of testing would have shown how broken the event mechanics and display was, one can forgive and understand mistakes, lack of care, interest, and thought is less forgivable. I know people are at the other end of our posts, and I regret pointing out the bleeding obvious. Hopefully it will encourage someone to try just a little harder next time to avoid a total clusterfuck. ---
**Author:** ![Saranja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/saranja/32/192238_2.png) [@Saranja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Saranja)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/163 "2018-08-22T15:41:01Z")
Although the whole abyssal site thing needs probably some fine tuning, I like the event and the sites. Especially for an older dude like me who isn’t playing very often anymore, it is quite good for 2 reasons: - Very challenging sites. Not like a Level 4 where can just sit in a marauder or so and shoot things without any risk. - PvE on demand. If you don’t want to wait around for “sandbox content” and don’t have much time: Open an abyssal site with the push of a button. No scanning around, no nothing. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Shado\_Step](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shado_step/32/91225_2.png) [@Shado\_Step](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shado_Step)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 3:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/164 "2018-08-22T15:55:51Z")
I like abyssals because they remind me of the mapping system in Path of Exile, but that’s like comparing a toddler with a professional athlete in every aspect of this implementation. The fact that abyssals can kill my 10b Gila when I get a disconnect, that’s totally out of my control, is not intelligent game design, it’s just a bad ISK sink that’s ruining my experience and is shitting on my time and effort. Every time I have an abyssal session, I play with a carrot up my ass because It’s a russian roulette with my Gila. It’s stressing me out. I’m trying to figure out at what times of day I’m less likely to disconnect. If Path of Exile had such a crappy “feature” implemented in their mapping system, they would go out of business. Luckily you can choose to do something else in EVE. At the moment, the NET profit you make from T5 abyssals, after calculating expenses, is very low compared to how it was before the removal of the suspect flag. So why should I run abyssals? To be threatened by involuntary deaths? lmao ---
**Author:** ![M109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m109/32/91887_2.png) [@M109](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M109)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/165 "2018-08-22T16:16:05Z")
Just a noob question…do I have to buy these filaments always at the market for access to abyssal event ? Or is there access available for free during the event? ---
**Author:** ![Retainer\_of\_Souls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retainer_of_souls/32/249744_2.png) [@Retainer\_of\_Souls](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retainer_of_Souls)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/166 "2018-08-22T16:39:29Z")
No you have to buy them or get them by hacking data sites ---
**Author:** ![M109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m109/32/91887_2.png) [@M109](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M109)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/167 "2018-08-22T16:54:28Z")
thx 4 info @ Retainer of Souls ! Hmm…so I have to buy access each single time for the abyssal event, risk quite expensive ships for small reward of average value ? Who created this, a former banker ? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Retainer\_of\_Souls](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/retainer_of_souls/32/249744_2.png) [@Retainer\_of\_Souls](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Retainer_of_Souls)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/168 "2018-08-22T16:55:10Z")
Aye, even as a six month old player I can’t afford the losses likely in this event ---
**Author:** ![Cavazos](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/cavazos/32/91898_2.png) [@Cavazos](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Cavazos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/169 "2018-08-22T16:55:36Z")
dumb question I was waiting until today to check, but will the challenges ever be reset during event? I know multiple people that don’t want to risk it in t5’s and 1 of them has 3 chaotic challenges and I personally have 2. Most have said if it doesn’t reset they’ll just move on instead of doing the event. obviously not everyone is that way but from quite a few people in the events channel have agreed on what I mentioned above. regards, Cavazos ---
**Author:** ![Sophia\_Sylver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sophia_sylver/32/25319_2.png) [@Sophia\_Sylver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sophia_Sylver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/170 "2018-08-22T17:02:57Z")
I’ll contract you 5 Gamma lvl 1 filaments. They should will give you enough lvl 2 and lvl 3 filaments to go on (or to sell 'em) . Gamma sites do have bonus for shield strength so any shield-tanked cruiser should be able to run lvl 1 GL HF ---
**Author:** ![M109](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/m109/32/91887_2.png) [@M109](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/M109)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/171 "2018-08-22T17:19:33Z")
Thanks a lot @ Sophia Syler ! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Erahn\_Gaterau](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erahn_gaterau/32/91891_2.png) [@Erahn\_Gaterau](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erahn_Gaterau)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/172 "2018-08-22T17:38:53Z")
Has anyone got something out of the Triglavian cache besides the Triglavian Cache Data when you put the survey sheets in? I have run T4s and T5s of various types and gotten over 200 cache data but that is it. ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Gainer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luke_gainer/32/415225_2.png) [@Luke\_Gainer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luke_Gainer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 5:41pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/173 "2018-08-22T17:41:37Z")
- Looks like the worst event so far. Starting from the annoying and completely unnecesary buttons for finishing tasks in the agency, then non-resetting on donwtime tasks. Also to note that Abyss is far more risky then previous event-related content and yet this event is quite less rewarding. - Yet it did make me to undock and run few sites on different ships, so not completely useless event. ---
**Author:** ![Alderson\_Point](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/alderson_point/32/171891_2.png) [@Alderson\_Point](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Alderson_Point)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/174 "2018-08-22T19:04:24Z")
I am afraid not. there are rumours that the mutaplasmids for the ancillary mods are hidden in the mutaplasmid chain, but I am not going to risk quarter of a billion isk to buy the starting mutaplasmid, and a faction module to find out, and risk losing it all, just for a few points, especially as the ancillary mutaplasmids awarded have a price in Jita wouldn’t even go anywhere near covering the costs. somehow, I cannot make up their mind if they considered this, and simply didn’t take it into account, or they really don’t have a clue about the game? It’s hard to tell, but after resource wars and a couple of the last event decisions, It is concerning. ---
**Author:** ![Sylvia\_Kildare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sylvia_kildare/32/416948_2.png) [@Sylvia\_Kildare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sylvia_Kildare)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/175 "2018-08-22T19:13:06Z")
> [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > I got an empty cache in a calm gamma filament room 1 They never claimed to have removed empty caches, just reduced their potential. I would sometimes have 4-5 empties while running 3 sites (9 total loot cans), now I seldom have more than 1 empty per every… 10 sites? (30 total loot cans) %age chance of empty has gone way, way down, mostly by red loot chance going way up per can. > [@Anderson\_Geten](#): > > otherwise, I find it … not good that the event completion needs us to click. eg when I clic validate after killing 20 rats, the later I do it the more “kills” for next step I lose. Yeah, I do wonder if the rat kills carry over or not. I suspect they do not, which means we have to click the rewards thingie WHILE we’re running the abyss site, which is just bonkers. > [@addelee](#): > > So…from what I can gather, Abyssals are still not worth running? Depends on what you want from them. Your other replies, I suspect, are comparing them to nullsec ratting, Rorqual mining, incursion running, or even mission running… sure, it isn’t profitable compared to that. Usually neither are event sites beyond the first day or two, on that note. I made my fortune from years of incursioning, I’m running the abyss since mid-June because it’s something new, for fun, and because I wanted to get all the new ships “for free”… and I’ve now built 3 frigs, 3 cruisers, and 3 battleships and trained into the skills for them on 3 characters all with the skillbooks and blueprints I got from doing the abyss sites myself. If that doesn’t appeal to you? Well, there’s the plasmids. Which personally don’t appeal to me, I just let them pile up. The first time I used them was yesterday to get some agency points from using decayed plasmids during this event. And now it wants me to use my precious gravids… hah… > [@M109](#): > > Just a noob question…do I have to buy these filaments always at the market for access to abyssal event ? > Or is there access available for free during the event? Once you start doing t1/t2 sites, you will be getting enough extra filaments as loot from the sites to keep running sites. I usually end up with more filaments at the end of a night of running the abyss than I started with. I bought a few + did some data exploration at the very start, haven’t had to buy any since June. ---
**Author:** ![Zakarumit\_CZ](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zakarumit_cz/32/287766_2.png) [@Zakarumit\_CZ](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Zakarumit_CZ)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/176 "2018-08-22T19:47:32Z")
The event just disappeared from my Agency and does not want to come back, even after relog or cache check… ---
**Author:** ![Shado\_Step](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/shado_step/32/91225_2.png) [@Shado\_Step](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Shado_Step)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 7:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/177 "2018-08-22T19:50:44Z")
Same here, sent a bug report too. ---
**Author:** ![zluq\_zabaa](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/zluq_zabaa/32/19011_2.png) [@zluq\_zabaa](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/zluq_zabaa)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/178 "2018-08-22T20:03:53Z")
> [@Sharcy](#): > > Cancel that, it has NOT reset at all. That’s just messed up, only players that can complete a T5 will be able to complete that chain of tasks. Yeah lol. This is a huge opportunity for Tier 5 runners. For every new round these 5 tasks, the people who run Tier 5 rake in Accelerators en masse. 🙂 And the rest of players… well. They’re kind of getting the rake. > [@Sharcy](#): > > So it strongly favours the rich players, and that should not be the purpose of an Event. You should address CCP Dragon directly with this, otherwise it will just vanish in the thread. > [@Alderson\_Point](#): > > I am afraid not. there are rumours that the mutaplasmids for the ancillary mods are hidden in the mutaplasmid chain, but I am not going to risk quarter of a billion isk to buy the starting mutaplasmid, and a faction module to find out, and risk losing it all, just for a few points, especially as the ancillary mutaplasmids awarded have a price in Jita wouldn’t even go anywhere near covering the costs. Wait what? So you have to use a Decayed, Gravid and then Unstable Mutaplasmid to get this box? Great way to gate items. At the moment it’s hard not to just laugh at how the inconsistencies of Abyssal sites multiply with the inconsistencies of this Event. ---
**Author:** ![Sharcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sharcy/32/412462_2.png) [@Sharcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sharcy)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/179 "2018-08-22T20:14:01Z")
> [@Sharcy](#): > > It would be nice to get some response by now from CCP as to what is intended and what is bugged, what fixes are coming and how we’re supposed to deal with some of this stuff. @CCP_Dragon , a word please? ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/secrets-of-the-abyss-event-feedback-thread/99548/180 "2018-08-22T20:22:05Z")
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