# Securing the legacy of Elabon and Heideran in a new era **URL:** \ **Category:** Intergalactic Summit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2023, 11:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/securing-the-legacy-of-elabon-and-heideran-in-a-new-era/398705 "2023-03-12T11:03:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 21
**Author:** ![Arrendis](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arrendis/32/432594_2.png) [@Arrendis](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arrendis)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/securing-the-legacy-of-elabon-and-heideran-in-a-new-era/398705/21 "2023-03-13T15:12:40Z")
> [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > I know my own feelings and they’re definitely not in a twist. Anyone reading your previous statements can see just what a falsehood this statement is. You’re angry, you feel betrayed, and you’re embracing a vindictive transactionalism in response. In other words, your fefes are very much in a twist. > [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > the Republic has made it clear they would rather throw their lot in with the State. And any Gallente with half a brain should be _encouraging_ this. In the long run, the Federation has been aware _since the moment of contact_ that the Empire is far more of an existential threat than the State. The State may provide some friction, and there may be hard feelings that flare into a sort of constant low-level conflict… but the State isn’t about to try to conquer the Federation. That’s not their nature. Conquest isn’t a part of State ideology, nor is aggressive expansion into new territories. Now, you might look at the warzone and say ‘but look! They keep taking space that started off Federal’ and that’s true. But once again, you have to do the thing you seem constitutionally incapable of doing: look at the _context_. The State militias have taken systems… that they’re _allowed_ to, by CONCORD treaty, systems the Federation has made available for exploitation by State forces, freely and willingly. Nobody _forced_ the Federation to put Intaki in the warzone to start off, the Senate approved that all on their own. And, as we’ve seen with CONCORD’s statements about Intaki: while _control_ may have fluctuated, the underlying _sovereignty_ never did. People just like to think of these systems as ‘conquered’ because it gives them a convenient shorthand without having to consider the rules of what is… and has for a long time been openly described as, little more than international-level bloodsports. And in those bloodsports, the State has consistently played by the rules established, in part, _by the Federation_. So there’s no reason to see any danger of a war of conquest from the State. Ok, so what about the other border? The Federation’s other border has a massive, sprawling Empire whose _openly stated goal_ is the conquest of _all of space_. All of it. That includes you. They want to enslave _you_. The Empire, hands down, is the greater existential threat, because unlike the State, the Empire _actually threatens the Federation’s existence_. And this is something the Federation has known since they first encountered the Amarr. It is, after all, [part of why](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/how-to-talk-to-your-child-about-the-minmatar-rebellion/397798) the Federation provided material support, but _did not openly assist_ in the Rebellion. So having the Republic doing the work of helping to pry the Caldari away from the Amarr only helps the Federation. Think it through: if the Empire were to attack the Federation, do you _really_ think the Republic wouldn’t take the opportunity to make deep strikes into the Empire to liberate more of our people? Do you think the Empire doesn’t _know_ that, and so cannot afford to take an aggressive stance toward the Federation, even now? There is no _downside_ here for the Federation… except in the issue of ego, and twisted fefes. Unless, again, the Federation was _actively planning_ a full-scale invasion of the State. > [@Sevrailan\_Tian\_Valirieux](#): > > As such as far as I’m concerned the issue of Matari enslavement is a problem for the Republic and the State to manage – not the Federation. I’m sure “**[Trillions of Federation Matari](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/trillions-of-federation-minmatar-would-be-alienated-or-perhaps-even-abandoned-by-republic-elusenian-government-in-exile-requests-clarification-regarding-the-republic-governments-position-towards-diaspora-in-event-of-possible-alliance-suspension/397681/1)**” are _thrilled_ to hear you marginalize and dismiss them and their concerns, and treat them as nothing more than warm bodies for the economic machine. Since, you know, being nothing more than labor with no say in our government has always been _so_ popular among our people. Always a great move in a putative democracy. --- _[View the full topic](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/securing-the-legacy-of-elabon-and-heideran-in-a-new-era/398705)._