# \[September\] Upwell Cargo Deposit **URL:** \ **Category:** Test Server Feedback\ **Created:** [August 29, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727 "2018-08-29T13:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sigourney\_DuMont](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sigourney_dumont/32/423348_2.png) [@Sigourney\_DuMont](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sigourney_DuMont)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/30 "2018-08-29T15:20:12Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > compared to the effort scammers have to put up to impersonate, rename and simply put up to facilitate their lazy-mode income. > [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > Nothing emerged organically here. The feature is as old as sov null sec outposts and it prevented hauling to sov null sec ever since. I would draw your attention to the second part of my statement: > [@Sigourney\_DuMont](#): > > but also building the trust of the community to be whitelisted. Admittedly sov null has had this problem, sure, but that’s an entirely different beast, which necessitates the very whitelist/blacklist you’re lambasting as “too much effort” ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/31 "2018-08-29T15:21:32Z")
Which is worthless as that “trust” has already been betrayed and therefore is no indicator for reliability. > [@Sigourney\_DuMont](#): > > Admittedly sov null has had this problem, sure, but that’s an entirely different beast, which necessitates the very whitelist/blacklist you’re lambasting as “too much effort” Not has had it’s problems. It has always been this way with access management in sov null sec and it is not a different beast: This very feature was imported from sov null sec to high sec and turned into a massive mess. ---
**Author:** ![Bitter\_Old\_Veteran](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bitter_old_veteran/32/93263_2.png) [@Bitter\_Old\_Veteran](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bitter_Old_Veteran)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/32 "2018-08-29T15:22:46Z")
This is a sad day for eve, #Childproof ---
**Author:** ![Heera-o\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heera-o_helugo/32/203799_2.png) [@Heera-o\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heera-o_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/34 "2018-08-29T15:33:23Z")
> [@Harlan\_Adoudel](#): > > @CCP_Fozzie In addition to the existing restrictions, please make it so you can’t store stuff if you’re scrammed. That will prevent people from dumping their valuable cargo (including potentially shiny refits) into structures when you’re killing them. I agree, if your getting hunted down with a cargo load, all you have to do is land on the nearest citadel and drop your cargo off. ---
**Author:** ![Erotic\_Trade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erotic_trade/32/93245_2.png) [@Erotic\_Trade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erotic_Trade)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/35 "2018-08-29T15:34:00Z")
> [@CCP\_Fozzie](#): > > When there was only one set of ship trails visible, that’s when CCP Guard was carrying you. Yeah Fozzie, Haulers got a really bad deal with those darn citadel scam contracts. I’m glad that they’re finally getting the nerf that was so badly needed. Now we don’t need to be paranoid about accepting courier contracts! ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/36 "2018-08-29T15:47:09Z")
> [@Harlan\_Adoudel](#): > > @CCP_Fozzie In addition to the existing restrictions, please make it so you can’t store stuff if you’re scrammed. That will prevent people from dumping their valuable cargo (including potentially shiny refits) into structures when you’re killing them. Yeah, it’s going to kinda suck when you are fighting over your citadel and the other side stashes their shiney modules into your citadel to deny you loot. It will also bypass the CrimeWatch suspect timer and allow looters to scoop stuff directly into the safety of a station without risk. Edit: Not only that, but it will allow you to secure any loot you gather in enemy space - whether that is from an actual fight, or from say exploration or mining. Just dump it in any structure, even your mortal enemy’s, and asset safety it back to friendly space. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/37 "2018-08-29T15:51:52Z")
These things should have been thought of before it ever made it to test. Oh wait, there was a 1000 page thread on this. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/38 "2018-08-29T16:00:20Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > Yeah, it’s going to kinda suck when you are fighting over your citadel and the other side stashes their shiney modules into your citadel to deny you loot. How do you want to do that, though? You cannot unfit modules in space unless you bring a Nestor as attacker or defender. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/39 "2018-08-29T16:05:21Z")
> [@Dyver\_Phycad](#): > > How do you want to do that, though? You cannot unfit modules in space unless you bring a Nestor as attacker or defender. In highsec I would do it off a neutral Orca, although I guess at that point I could just stash the ship if I had run out the weapons timer. Elsewhere would require a Nestor or a Carrier I guess. But certainly fleetmates will be able to scoop loot of their fallen comrades and dump it in the structure that they are assaulting. ---
**Author:** ![Kenneth\_Feld](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kenneth_feld/32/435300_2.png) [@Kenneth\_Feld](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kenneth_Feld)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/40 "2018-08-29T16:07:58Z")
They don’t want titans and supers refitting from an endless supply of modules from an astra or fortizar or other structure they can’t dock in. That is why no bi-directional ---
**Author:** ![metalravenous](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/metalravenous/32/93271_2.png) [@metalravenous](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/metalravenous)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/41 "2018-08-29T16:10:01Z")
People are missing the opportunity here for possible scams that involve pick up from citadels are still going to exist…also if I can deposit stuff into null sec citadels I can now market and compete in places where I didnt have market access too…lots of emergent game play available here now…allowing players to have access to their hangars in null would be awesome as well because cloaky campers awoxers and others would be able to resship without going back to empire…let’s all hope for a further expansion on this ---
**Author:** ![Frank\_Truck](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/frank_truck/32/287666_2.png) [@Frank\_Truck](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Frank_Truck)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/42 "2018-08-29T16:14:40Z")
> [@Black\_Pedro](#): > > But certainly fleetmates will be able to scoop loot of their fallen comrades and dump it in the structure that they are assaulting. You will also be able to transfer loot that is greater than your cargo capacity to safety. For example after a freighter kill a frigate will be able to loot it. This is worse than the original problem which was really hauler error. ---
**Author:** ![Brok\_Kalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brok_kalen/32/93276_2.png) [@Brok\_Kalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brok_Kalen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/43 "2018-08-29T16:42:10Z")
Courier scams are the worst kind. All it does it manipulate the mechanics of the game against someones ignorance. Resulting in only taking advantage of new players a single time. It also prevents people from delivering courier contracts to the vast majority of structures in eve. As you simply cannot trust a structure owner that isn’t you. Finally all his nonsense talk about it enabling unfair stashing of loot in enemy space is retarded. You can already do this with a mobile depot at a safe spot. If people start abusing the asset safety functionality, allow structure owners to tax it. ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/44 "2018-08-29T16:43:11Z")
> [@CCP\_Fozzie](#): > > to allow items to be placed into the structures even if you can’t dock Added to the “one more nerf” list. ---
**Author:** ![Erotic\_Trade](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/erotic_trade/32/93245_2.png) [@Erotic\_Trade](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Erotic_Trade)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/45 "2018-08-29T16:45:54Z")
> [@Brok\_Kalen](#): > > Courier scams are the worst kind. All it does it manipulate the mechanics of the game against someones ignorance. Resulting in only taking advantage of new players a single time. > > It also prevents people from delivering courier contracts to the vast majority of structures in eve. As you simply cannot trust a structure owner that isn’t you. > > Finally all his nonsense talk about it enabling unfair stashing of loot in enemy space is retarded. You can already do this with a mobile depot at a safe spot. If people start abusing the asset safety functionality, allow structure owners to tax it. You are absolutely right man. Taking advantage of new players who want to get into hauling is just DISGUSTING, ---
**Author:** ![Wipt\_LotsaGold](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wipt_lotsagold/32/240348_2.png) [@Wipt\_LotsaGold](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wipt_LotsaGold)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/46 "2018-08-29T16:48:54Z")
Think you broke the sarcasm meter right there… ---
**Author:** ![Brok\_Kalen](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/brok_kalen/32/93276_2.png) [@Brok\_Kalen](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Brok_Kalen)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 4:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/47 "2018-08-29T16:58:28Z")
Regarding issues with the cargo being bidirectional, modify the interface so instead of moving directly to cargo, it ejects it semi randomly into space. bi directional, risk vs reward, allows a easy to manipulate lore component. access should be disabled while the structure is reinforced, however. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Habakuk](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_habakuk/32/471107_2.png) [@CCP\_Habakuk](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Habakuk)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/48 "2018-08-29T17:02:42Z")
> [@Frank\_Truck](#): > > You will also be able to transfer loot that is greater than your cargo capacity to safety. For example after a freighter kill a frigate will be able to loot it. This is worse than the original problem which was really hauler error. This is not the case. The items need to be located in your ship to be able to transfer them to the structure. ---
**Author:** ![Heera-o\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heera-o_helugo/32/203799_2.png) [@Heera-o\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heera-o_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/49 "2018-08-29T17:11:53Z")
> [@metalravenous](#): > > People are missing the opportunity here for possible scams that involve pick up from citadels are still going to exist…also if I can deposit stuff into null sec citadels I can now market and compete in places where I didnt have market access too…lots of emergent game play available here now…allowing players to have access to their hangars in null would be awesome as well because cloaky campers awoxers and others would be able to resship without going back to empire…let’s all hope for a further expansion on this Unless i am mistaken, unless you have market permission you can not sell on a citadels market. ---
**Author:** ![Heera-o\_Helugo](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/heera-o_helugo/32/203799_2.png) [@Heera-o\_Helugo](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Heera-o_Helugo)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 5:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/50 "2018-08-29T17:14:19Z")
> [@Brok\_Kalen](#): > > Courier scams are the worst kind. All it does it manipulate the mechanics of the game against someones ignorance. Resulting in only taking advantage of new players a single time. > > It also prevents people from delivering courier contracts to the vast majority of structures in eve. As you simply cannot trust a structure owner that isn’t you. > > Finally all his nonsense talk about it enabling unfair stashing of loot in enemy space is retarded. You can already do this with a mobile depot at a safe spot. If people start abusing the asset safety functionality, allow structure owners to tax it. Almost every scam takes advatange of someone’s ignorance. As for it preventing people from delivering contacts to most structures, thats a non issue. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727.md?page=1) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727.md?page=3)