# \[September\] Upwell Cargo Deposit **URL:** \ **Category:** Test Server Feedback\ **Created:** [August 29, 2018, 1:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727 "2018-08-29T13:49:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/72 "2018-08-29T15:17:49Z")
or you still remain a babbling baby out of topic. learn to read. Again, I don’t get the point of your posts. Nor what it actually brings to any discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2018, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/73 "2018-08-29T15:20:04Z")
If you don’t get their point then why are you acting like I’ve insulted your mother? ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/75 "2018-08-30T02:06:30Z")
> [@Courriers soon to be delivered to structure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/courriers-soon-to-be-delivered-to-structure/101733/1): > > no more contract with rights revoked on accept, no more issue moving freight to private structure ! They will unanchor. This will have the same effect as blocking docking, and prevent you from completing. Scam acheived. ---
**Author:** ![Dave\_Miller](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dave_miller/32/180997_2.png) [@Dave\_Miller](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dave_Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/76 "2018-08-30T02:25:45Z")
> [@Courriers soon to be delivered to structure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/courriers-soon-to-be-delivered-to-structure/101733/11): > > They will unanchor. This will have the same effect as blocking docking, and prevent you from completing. > > Scam acheived Um… doesn’t it take 7 days to unanchor a citadel? Also during that 7 days isn’t it completely vulnerable? Sounds like a huge risk just to scam a couple hundred mil off some broke hauler… who can wait out your contract, effectively besieging a citadel as a single, non-combat, pilot. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/77 "2018-08-30T02:30:17Z")
> [@Courriers soon to be delivered to structure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/courriers-soon-to-be-delivered-to-structure/101733/12): > > Um… doesn’t it take 7 days to unanchor a citadel? Also during that 7 days isn’t it completely vulnerable? Sounds like a huge risk just to scam a couple hundred mil off some broke hauler… who can wait out your contract, effectively besieging a citadel as a single, non-combat, pilot. Raitarus cost around 500 mill right now. People often scam on the level of billions. But id gladly take 300 million isk. Wouldnt you? And were talking about hisec. Vulnerable to what? A wardec? Remember, it takes 24 hours to begin a wardec. Courier contracts can be set up as days to complete: 1 day. If you dont complete it by then, you fail the contract. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/78 "2018-08-30T02:32:07Z")
What do you mean by unanchor ? If they start unanchoring, then the structure will remain anchored until the completion. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/79 "2018-08-30T02:34:42Z")
> [@Courriers soon to be delivered to structure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/courriers-soon-to-be-delivered-to-structure/101733/14): > > What do you mean by unanchor ? If they start unanchoring, then the structure will remain anchored until the completion. Im pretty sure you cant dock during unanchoring, can you? ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/80 "2018-08-30T02:35:17Z")
you don’t need to dock to complete the courrier, that’s the idea of this feature. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/81 "2018-08-30T02:40:40Z")
If its unanchoring and if the process means you cannot dock, at all, then you also cant complete the courier contract, because no one can dock, which means its not accepting any new items. But truth be told, i dont know for certain if unanchoring citadels can still accept docking. I thought it didnt, but i could be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/82 "2018-08-30T02:41:51Z")
I already docked in unanchoring citadels. ---
**Author:** ![Solonius\_Rex](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/solonius_rex/32/388172_2.png) [@Solonius\_Rex](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Solonius_Rex)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/83 "2018-08-30T02:50:57Z")
> [@Courriers soon to be delivered to structure](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/courriers-soon-to-be-delivered-to-structure/101733/18): > > I already docked in unanchoring citadels. Okay. I couldnt in the past, so maybe they changed it. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 2:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/84 "2018-08-30T02:51:59Z")
exactly, it was written “unanchoring in X”. so maybe there is a difference, I don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Dark\_Engraver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dark_engraver/32/45178_2.png) [@Dark\_Engraver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dark_Engraver)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 5:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/85 "2018-08-30T05:36:08Z")
Tackle and shoot the courier with the citadel you say? ---
**Author:** ![Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sepheir_sepheron/32/279597_2.png) [@Sepheir\_Sepheron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sepheir_Sepheron)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/86 "2018-08-30T06:19:31Z")
Destroying them with ships is just as effective! ---
**Author:** ![Njiuvila](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/njiuvila/32/77227_2.png) [@Njiuvila](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Njiuvila)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 11:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/87 "2018-08-30T11:56:06Z")
Please allow this new feature only to deliver courier packages or when a ship is tethered. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/88 "2018-08-30T13:03:43Z")
- The cargo deposit range on Upwell Structures is 10km, just like tethering (although remember that you can use cargo deposit even if you do not have permissions to tether) It’s good for dropping ore off as well. This is tremendous news for haulers. ---
**Author:** ![Dyver\_Phycad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dyver_phycad/32/358575_2.png) [@Dyver\_Phycad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dyver_Phycad)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/89 "2018-08-30T13:03:56Z")
You cannot tether if docking rights are removed, smartie. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/90 "2018-08-30T13:16:35Z")
Did you not read, that it cannot happen with, cloaking, weapons, or criminal timer. Which I assume means if you are scrammed, you have a weapons timer. @Harlan_Adoudel ---
**Author:** ![Scath\_Bererund](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scath_bererund/32/27174_2.png) [@Scath\_Bererund](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scath_Bererund)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/91 "2018-08-30T13:28:49Z")
So i could roam hostile space, steal ESS tags and fill up on loot. Then use the hostiles own citadels to safly extract my loot via asset safty? Amazing ---
**Author:** ![Luke\_Gainer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/luke_gainer/32/415225_2.png) [@Luke\_Gainer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Luke_Gainer)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2018, 1:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727/92 "2018-08-30T13:30:28Z")
Nice feature, but as many said above - it is highly tended to be abused in combination with asset safety. The currently described implementation creates massive safe haven for loot or any valuables on any citadel (even hostile) in proximity. Possible solutions: limit non-tethered ships to devlivering plastic wraps only limit cargo deposit to a special hangar bay with no asset safety functions put cargo deposit service (except plastic wraps) into citadel owner control or even to the direct operator decision (with denial by default) Currently described implementation could works well in highsec, except wardec cases. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/september-upwell-cargo-deposit/101727.md?page=5)