# \[SERIOUS\] How would you re-design Highsec if you could? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [June 26, 2018, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411 "2018-06-26T23:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 12:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/201 "2018-07-12T12:11:32Z")
The creators of the game are long gone. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:20pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/202 "2018-07-12T13:20:34Z")
Miner, calm down… lol Wars are not griefing Bumping with an objective is not griefing PvP is not griefing The amount of safebears is unreal ---
**Author:** ![Remiel\_Pollard](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/remiel_pollard/32/242272_2.png) [@Remiel\_Pollard](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Remiel_Pollard)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 1:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/203 "2018-07-12T13:22:15Z")
> [@Makavi\_Madeveda](#): > > CCP’s opinion hasn’t mattered for years, so please shut the ■■■■ up with this ■■■■. And yours does? ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/204 "2018-07-12T20:11:37Z")
Except for the exceptions where CCP have also indicated that war decs can pass into the griefing territory in certain circumstances. Take anything too far and it becomes griefing even if the base action is normally legit. ---
**Author:** ![Savoycabbage](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/savoycabbage/32/209791_2.png) [@Savoycabbage](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Savoycabbage)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/205 "2018-07-12T20:22:16Z")
Where have these exceptions been stated? I’m genuinely interested. ---
**Author:** ![Makavi\_Madeveda](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/makavi_madeveda/32/495789_2.png) [@Makavi\_Madeveda](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Makavi_Madeveda)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/206 "2018-07-12T20:24:51Z")
About as much as yours. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/207 "2018-07-12T20:30:01Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Except for the exceptions where CCP have also indicated that war decs can pass into the griefing territory in certain circumstances. Which are? Oh yes There are none. Everyone in a non-NPC corp is free game for whatever reason. Stop trying to spread lies to people that know the system better than CCP themselves (lol) ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/208 "2018-07-12T20:30:21Z")
I’ve bumped miners for hours on end many, many times. They’ve reported me, or said they did anyway. Have I been banned or even reprimanded? Not one single time. Why? Because it’s not griefing. I had a clear objective when I started bumping them, which was to deny them access to the ice anomaly. I told them exactly what was going to happen if they didn’t leave. They thought I was bluffing, and found out otherwise… ---
**Author:** ![Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jonah_gravenstein/32/386819_2.png) [@Jonah\_Gravenstein](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jonah_Gravenstein)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/209 "2018-07-12T21:16:45Z")
For future reference 😛 ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/5/3/5314ab29dbc6763882cf4c3a9ed940710c6ba7ac.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 9:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/210 "2018-07-12T21:25:39Z")
Go and read the harrassment rules. At the point they’ve made enough efforts to get away and you keep targeting someone any action can cross into griefing & harrassment. Now sure, this is a lot more effort than most people put in before crying, but that doesn’t mean it can never be griefing. Trying to pretend it never can be just makes you look as if you do intend to grief people. ---
**Author:** ![QuakeGod](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/quakegod/32/480339_2.png) [@QuakeGod](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/QuakeGod)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/211 "2018-07-12T22:19:49Z")
If they make an effort to leave the area and you follow them, then yes, it is now harassment. However, if they stay in the area and keep begging for it, well, that’s on them. If I’ve punted you out of the same ice anomaly for the fifth time and you keep coming back, you don’t get to claim it as griefing. File that one under your own stupidity… ---
**Author:** ![Baaldor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/baaldor/32/461993_2.png) [@Baaldor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Baaldor)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/212 "2018-07-12T22:36:20Z")
I would get rid of Hi-sec all together. ---
**Author:** ![Mephiztopheleze](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mephiztopheleze/32/381036_2.png) [@Mephiztopheleze](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mephiztopheleze)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/213 "2018-07-12T22:43:20Z")
i would lower the sec status of all systems in the game by 0.1 every year for three years. ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/214 "2018-07-12T22:49:51Z")
Totally in agreement on your example there. I have complaints about how the system is designed but not that it’s possible to undertake things like punting people out of belts. I just want the mechanics around said punting to be a bit different (and probably to the punters advantage if their target really is a bot or afk). ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 12, 2018, 10:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/215 "2018-07-12T22:55:15Z")
Quote it, or gtfo Kthxbai ---
**Author:** ![Chii\_leck\_Hudson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/chii_leck_hudson/32/13988_2.png) [@Chii\_leck\_Hudson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Chii_leck_Hudson)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2018, 11:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/216 "2018-07-13T23:49:39Z")
> [@Nevyn\_Auscent](#): > > Trying to pretend it never can be just makes you look as if you do intend to grief people. i do intend to grief people, within the limits set forth in the game ---
**Author:** ![Nevyn\_Auscent](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nevyn_auscent/32/255124_2.png) [@Nevyn\_Auscent](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nevyn_Auscent)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2018, 12:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/217 "2018-07-14T00:39:50Z")
Considering those limits say zero griefing… you might have issues there. Now sure ganking isn’t griefing unless taken to extremes etc. So gank away and have fun doing so. But yeah. Griefing isnt cool. ---
**Author:** ![z0rberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rberg/32/29223_2.png) [@z0rberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rberg)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 11:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/218 "2018-07-16T11:32:46Z")
I’d remove most limitations and let nature run its course. Ya’ll know how that’s going to end. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2018, 2:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/219 "2018-07-16T14:09:08Z")
More QQ forum threads ofc lol ---
**Author:** ![z0rberg](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/z0rberg/32/29223_2.png) [@z0rberg](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/z0rberg)\ **Post date:** [July 17, 2018, 8:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/serious-how-would-you-re-design-highsec-if-you-could/85411/220 "2018-07-17T08:10:06Z")
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