# \[Service\] \[Dead\] Code against Ganking - Closed 05/12/22 - Step by Step to a safer Highsec **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Tags:** high-sec\ **Created:** [July 26, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391 "2021-07-26T16:55:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 7:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/61 "2021-09-03T07:35:43Z")
So whats your conclusion? Why are they missing? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 7:44am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/62 "2021-09-03T07:44:13Z")
He’s just using another definition, but it’s still the exact same information. The main difference is zkill is free. I’m sure newbros will really benefit from paying this guy to tell them that Uedama and Jita are dangerous systems. Fascinating research! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 7:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/63 "2021-09-03T07:56:47Z")
OR they could take up this fascinating hobby themselves and be safe in knowning that wherever they are, a gank is happening. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 11:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/64 "2021-09-03T11:18:54Z")
> [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](#): > > Sooooo according to zKill only 20 Ganks happend in the latest 24 hours. What? That’s not what zkillboard claims. Squizz has specifically called out where he doesn’t label certain losses as ganks and has never tried to find all ganks. There are always more than just the ganked list (which was started for the last burn jita event and mainly picks out larger end ganks). A more correct statement would be: _So, according to zkill at least 20 ganks happened in the latest 24 hours. I’ve found that the number is closer to 143 by my criteria. I’m so good and awesomely 715% better than zkill._ That last bit might not really be more correct at all, but it certainly comes across as a bit self congratulatory. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2021, 1:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/65 "2021-09-03T13:50:26Z")
Wait so it only detects ganks that have already happened? ---
**Author:** ![Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gangolf_ovaert/32/373645_2.png) [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gangolf_Ovaert)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/68 "2021-09-04T08:41:28Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > The main difference is zkill is free. It is also free right now… So take you chance and maybe test it on your own. > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I’m sure newbros will really benefit from paying this guy to tell them that Uedama and Jita are dangerous systems. Fascinating research! Its free for new players for three months. But i will try to explain my calculation for you: Right now i have upkeep costs of 20€ per month and calculated with 50 characters using my service. 20€ is one month worth of playtime and ish. 1,3b for a Plex instead / 25 Million ISK = 52 Users to be self efficient > [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > I wish I could write software that just copies data from another source: > [@Scipio\_Artelius](#): > > That last bit might not really be more correct at all, but it certainly comes across as a bit self congratulatory. I tried to explain, why this statement is wrong and my service act as a advanced filter. If you believe in alternative facts, I can’t help you here. Maybe B4R is the right place for you. Also, I am not complacent… Noone forces you guys to be here, if you don’t like it ignore it 👍 ---
**Author:** ![Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donatien_alphonse_francois/32/305419_2.png) [@Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donatien_Alphonse_Francois)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 11:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/69 "2021-09-04T11:20:13Z")
If you aren’t just pulling data from zkill, then which ESI endpoints are you using to collect kill information? ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 1:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/70 "2021-09-04T13:32:29Z")
> [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](#): > > Maybe B4R is the right place for you. Woah, what’s that supposed to mean? ---
**Author:** ![Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gangolf_ovaert/32/373645_2.png) [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gangolf_Ovaert)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 3:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/71 "2021-09-04T15:44:03Z")
> [@Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](#): > > If you aren’t just pulling data from zkill, then which ESI endpoints are you using to collect kill information? It is possible to post kills with an external kill link. It’s also possible to add your api for killmails directly to my service. This way kills won’t land automaticly on zkill, but I can check them for ganks. Both is currently under development and not yet available for public yet. ---
**Author:** ![Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/donatien_alphonse_francois/32/305419_2.png) [@Donatien\_Alphonse\_Francois](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Donatien_Alphonse_Francois)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/72 "2021-09-04T16:32:13Z")
> [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](#): > > It is possible to post kills with an external kill link. > > It’s also possible to add your api for killmails directly to my service. This way kills won’t land automaticly on zkill, but I can check them for ganks. This doesn’t answer the question. You claim to have a bunch of extra killmail data that isn’t on zkill, but the only ESI endpoints that give killmail information require you to have the character or corporation which received the killmail authed to your ESI app. You’re right that you can add kills via a killmail link, but I doubt anyone in hisec who’s getting ganked is sending each of their killmails to some bunch they’ve never heard of. In short, unless you can provide a source for your data, this service is a scam. ---
**Author:** ![Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gangolf_ovaert/32/373645_2.png) [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gangolf_Ovaert)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/73 "2021-09-04T20:01:32Z")
My Statement in the Post, made for Alpha release (you cannot quote an edited post): > Code against Ganking is an application that analyzes public killmailfeeds and filters out ganks. Based on this information, it automatically categorizes gankers and gives them a standing from 0 to - 10 depending on their activity and some other factors. Updated Statement, for beta release: > [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](#): > > I am pulling from various sources (for example zkillboard via redisq, esi from characters (not public supported yet) and system statistics) Statement from my Website: > We detect all ganks with a custom algorithm and put them into a database. I don’t see any false information here. ¯\_(ツ)\_/¯ I have described very precisely what exactly my code does and what it does not. You guys post several times a day how bad it is, how much of a scam it is… without any of you even testing it. I will take your posts thankfully as bump and proof of my work. o/ ---
**Author:** ![Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gangolf_ovaert/32/373645_2.png) [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gangolf_Ovaert)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/74 "2021-09-04T20:16:37Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > this guy to tell them that Uedama and Jita are dangerous systems. Thats actual great Feedback! Roaming Gankers get a higher Threat Rating! Thank you very much! ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 8:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/75 "2021-09-04T20:35:54Z")
Sounds botty. ---
**Author:** ![Triumvir\_Roland](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/triumvir_roland/32/286802_2.png) [@Triumvir\_Roland](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Triumvir_Roland)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 10:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/76 "2021-09-04T22:05:28Z")
Scam or not. Either way this is high quality content. Thumbs op to the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 4, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/77 "2021-09-04T23:52:12Z")
> [@Triumvir\_Roland](#): > > Scam or not. It’s only a scam if he charges people for it. It’s neither original, nor unique, and very easy to circumvent for gankers. So not a service worth paying for, but still +1 to the OP for creating a tool that is usable by others in the community. ---
**Author:** ![Karak\_Terrel](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/karak_terrel/32/373453_2.png) [@Karak\_Terrel](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Karak_Terrel)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/78 "2021-09-05T01:40:07Z")
I personally think the “Code” against ganking is a pun too far… really… ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 3:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/79 "2021-09-05T03:17:46Z")
I can confirm this is a scam. The whole point is to identify subscribers and then target them for ganks, using their own isk against them. ---
**Author:** ![Triumvir\_Roland](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/triumvir_roland/32/286802_2.png) [@Triumvir\_Roland](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Triumvir_Roland)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 5:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/80 "2021-09-05T05:15:16Z")
Nope that’s called a service. Quality does not matter this is up to the customer to decide. It’s a free market and people can do whatever they wish with their isk. A scam would be making claims that are not delivered or using api access data to do something else than advertised Just being bad isn’t enough. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 6:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/81 "2021-09-05T06:14:21Z")
> [@Triumvir\_Roland](#): > > A scam would be > > making claims that are not delivered Yes. Reread what was written. It is easy to circumvent, so he isn’t able to detect all active gankers, which is part of his claim: ![snip](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/9/a/f/9af67ccdfa13b25750f9295196b7b14e75405638.png) If you aren’t paying for it, then it’s not a scam - just a wildly impossible claim. If you are paying for it, you are being scammed, specifically because: ![snip2](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/a/5/0a5c2bca37da21d092ec60e2e6caa4cb462820c0.png) So he’s specifically creating a service that offers to report all active gankers in highsec in order to plex his account. If you are paying, you are being scammed. ---
**Author:** ![Pan\_Dora1](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pan_dora1/32/277067_2.png) [@Pan\_Dora1](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pan_Dora1)\ **Post date:** [September 5, 2021, 9:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391/82 "2021-09-05T09:23:43Z")
> [@Gangolf\_Ovaert](#): > > You guys post several times a day how bad it is, how much of a scam it is… without any of you even _falling for_ it. Fixed that for you. …and friendly bump, I suppose. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/service-dead-code-against-ganking-closed-05-12-22-step-by-step-to-a-safer-highsec/321391.md?page=5)