# Ship/Cargo Scanner to give penalty e.g. suspect timer **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** game-mechanics, modules\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572 "2018-06-17T10:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![Valdr\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valdr_auduin/32/22072_2.png) [@Valdr\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valdr_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/191 "2018-06-25T01:09:40Z")
What if we created a new flag for “suspicious activity” to alert players in hi-sec who is looking at them and also give angel responders (or anti-gank alts) a chance to orient on the potential gank? ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/192 "2018-06-25T01:11:42Z")
> [@Valdr\_Auduin](#): > > What if we created a new flag for “suspicious activity” Save the coding time and just use something that is already in place with a similar name. Suspect flag. ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/193 "2018-06-25T01:13:14Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Damn…it is almost like the devs patch things over time that people exploit for their benefit. I don’t follow. What do you mean? Of course devs patch things, so what? What do the examples you mention prove? > [@Ildrara](#): > > So please explain how this benefits me at all? Obviously you and everybody else wanting the change _think_ it benefits you that the new targets would happen to be the players that do things you don’t like… Does that need any explanation? If you just wanted more targets you’d ask for a lot of things to cause a suspect flag, including things you might do yourself, but you don’t want that, you want the new targets to be those that do things you don’t like and nobody else… > [@Ildrara](#): > > What exactly is wrong with flagging someone as a suspect that scans a ship or cargo of another players ship? Really? Do you _really_ think I haven’t answered this question A LOT of times already? In the very post you’re replying to even… Did you read it before replying? > [@Arthur\_Aihaken](#): > > I really don’t have a problem with expanding the definition of what constitutes a suspect activity. Of course you don’t, nor does anyone else wanting the change for that matter… That’s exactly what you’re asking for… ---
**Author:** ![Valdr\_Auduin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/valdr_auduin/32/22072_2.png) [@Valdr\_Auduin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Valdr_Auduin)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/194 "2018-06-25T01:14:04Z")
What if it was based on the code for Contact standing markers or yellow-boxing? They’re already doing modifications to the boxing mechanics. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/195 "2018-06-25T01:17:00Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Of course you don’t, nor does anyone else wanting the change for that matter… It’s not a huge deal. I’m sure you’d figure out a way to cope… ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/196 "2018-06-25T01:19:29Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I don’t follow. What do you mean? Of course devs patch things, so what? What do the examples you mention prove? It doesn’t matter if you follow or not. > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Obviously you and everybody else wanting the change _think_ it benefits you that the new targets would happen to be the players that do things you don’t like… Does that need any explanation? But I have ganked plenty of people. Playing make believe and guessing doesn’t make an argument. This change wouldn’t help me. I have never been scanned then ganked. (to my knowledge) > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > you want the new targets to be those that do things you don’t like and nobody else… Citation please. Who said I didn’t like cargo scanners? Why do you keep playing pretend? Where is the proof of this? > [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > Really? Do you _really_ think I haven’t answered this question A LOT of times already? In the very post you’re replying to even… Did you read it before replying? If you can’t answer just say so. No need for another paragraph. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/197 "2018-06-25T01:26:29Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > You need to fit a weapon to have a tracking system. No, you don’t need to fit a weapon to have a tracking system. Evasive systems and navigation have effects of tracking without weapons. Unless you’re saying my CAR which is made for CIVILIAN use with it’s GPS (tracking system) has a cannon somewhere I’m not alerted to… Pardon me… I must now convert my car into a tank. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/f/0/5/f05e016b671cf52504295496236b584f1ee382d8.jpeg "How to Turn Your Car into a Tank: Episode 22|52skillz") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=klzfvURGdAY) ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/198 "2018-06-25T01:28:45Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > No, you don’t need to fit a weapon to have a tracking system. You do in EVE. Only turrets are effected by them. > [@MinerArt](#): > > Evasive systems and navigation have effects of tracking without weapons. Not in EVE. > [@MinerArt](#): > > Unless you’re saying my CAR which is made for CIVILIAN use with it’s GPS (tracking system) has a cannon somewhere I’m not alerted to Your “CAR” is not a spaceship in EVE. Your argument is irrelevant. If you believe your “CAR” is a spaceship in EVE you should seek mental help. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/199 "2018-06-25T01:30:14Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > If you believe your “CAR” is a spaceship in EVE you should seek mental help. [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/1/5/b151d1d3ebb54ed45092b70fe153cccd61f6ebfd.jpeg "SpaceX Launches Tesla Sports Car Into Sun's Orbit | All In | MSNBC") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KymoCAzixXg) As I’ve been told before there is now a non-zero chance that you will get into a car accident in space. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/200 "2018-06-25T01:30:53Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > As I’ve been told before there is now a non-zero chance that you will get into a car accident in space. Cool story. Still not EVE. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/201 "2018-06-25T01:31:44Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Cool story. Still not EVE. Cool story. Means you can’t figure a way around it. Thanks for confirming you can’t argue better. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/202 "2018-06-25T01:33:15Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Thanks for confirming you can’t argue better. Arguing against a mentally ill person that believes their car exists in EVE doesn’t mean someone can’t produce an argument. The only time I use real life arguments in games is to show how dumb those arguments are. Your argument is dumb. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:35am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/203 "2018-06-25T01:35:21Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Arguing against a mentally ill person Is an incorrect hypothesis in which the assumption of the mental state of the opponent relies upon your preconceived conclusion being true. No evidence is given to the contrary resulting in: > **[Affirming the consequent](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirming_the_consequent)** > > In propositional logic, affirming the consequent, sometimes called converse error, fallacy of the converse, or confusion of necessity and sufficiency, is a formal fallacy of taking a true conditional statement (e.g., "if the lamp were broken, then the room would be dark") under certain assumptions (there are no other lights in the room, it is nighttime and the windows are closed), and invalidly inferring its converse ("the room is dark, so the lamp must be broken"), even though that statement m... ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/204 "2018-06-25T01:40:24Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > No evidence is given to the contrary resulting in: The evidence is above. You’re saying your car is somehow relevant to the discussion because it has a GPS system. > **[Argument from fallacy](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy)** > > Argument from fallacy is the formal fallacy of analyzing an argument and inferring that, since it contains a fallacy, its conclusion must be false. It is also called argument to logic (argumentum ad logicam), the fallacy fallacy, the fallacist's fallacy, and the bad reasons fallacy. > It has the general argument form: > If P, then Q. > P is a fallacious argument. > Therefore, Q is false. > Thus, it is a special case of denying the antecedent where the antecedent, rather than being a proposition that is... Lol…see anyone can do that. We are arguing about cargo scanners in a game. I mentioned tracking disruptors because they do no harm to a unarmed freighter since they only tracking disrupt turrets. Not any other part of the ship. So if you want to get technical you’re doubly wrong now. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/205 "2018-06-25T01:41:27Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > You’re saying your car is somehow relevant to the discussion because it has a GPS system. Is a GPS system NOT a tracking system? Yes or no. If you can not answer that then don’t reply and investigate what GPS means. This might help: > **[What is GPS? | Garmin](https://www.garmin.com/en-US/AboutGPS/)** > > Learn about how GPS works and how Global Positioning System technology can be used for countless activities in your life. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:47am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/206 "2018-06-25T01:47:19Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Is a GPS system NOT a tracking system? I never said it wasn’t. Of course it is. GPS is not a thing that exists in EVE. You do realize it is a game right? EVE doesn’t use GPS for ships to move from point A to point B. The ships in EVE ability to move from point A to point B is not changed by a turret disruptor. You’re either a successful troll or really uninformed about this game. I am going to assume the former. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/207 "2018-06-25T01:50:21Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > I never said it wasn’t. Of course it is. In which case disrupting the tracking would be a criminal action. Or hacking the GPS so that a car thinks it should DRIVE INTO ON-COMING TRAFFIC would be… wait for it… a criminal offense. In which case disrupting a tracking device IS still a criminal offense. Congratulations. > [@Ildrara](#): > > How does a tracking disruptor harm or damage a freighter. You confirm yourself wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:52am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/208 "2018-06-25T01:52:43Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > In which case disrupting the tracking would be a criminal action. Or hacking the GPS so that a car thinks it should DRIVE INTO ON-COMING TRAFFIC would be… wait for it… a criminal offense. In which case disrupting a tracking device IS still a criminal offense. Congratulations. Which would make sense if this wasn’t a game. Are you okay? > [@MinerArt](#): > > You confirm yourself wrong. If that makes you feel better I suppose. The only wrong thing I did was argue with someone that is wholly incapable of being relevant about what was discussed. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/209 "2018-06-25T01:54:37Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > The only wrong thing I did was argue with someone that is wholly incapable of being relevant about what was discussed. Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - Martin Luther King, Jr. The question is why you are choosing to ignore a relevant situation intentionally. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2018, 1:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/210 "2018-06-25T01:57:13Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > The question is why you are choosing to ignore a relevant situation intentionally. Any item used by a civilian in the real world capable of seeing inside the trunk or cargo area of another persons vehicle without their permission is illegal to use. So given your inability to separate the game from real life you are left in a place where you have to agree that people using cargo scanners should be destroyed or given the suspect flag in the game. Anything else? Move along troll. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572.md?page=9) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572.md?page=11)