# Ship/Cargo Scanner to give penalty e.g. suspect timer **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Tags:** game-mechanics, modules\ **Created:** [June 17, 2018, 10:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572 "2018-06-17T10:36:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 7, 2018, 11:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/416 "2018-07-07T23:44:04Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Except he was repeating By chance do you know what bandwagoning is? > **[Your logical fallacy is bandwagon](https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/bandwagon)** > > You appealed to popularity or the fact that many people do something as an attempted form of validation. > [@](#): > > The flaw in this argument is that the popularity of an idea has absolutely no bearing on its validity. > If it did, then the Earth would have made itself flat for most of history to accommodate this popular belief. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/417 "2018-07-08T01:12:06Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > By chance do you know what bandwagoning is? The idea is popular because he is right, the truth is usually popular. You are simply wrong. Cargo and ship scans are harmless. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/418 "2018-07-08T01:12:46Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > The idea is popular because he is right, the truth is usually popular. > > You are simply wrong. The idea that the earth was flat is popular because it was right. The truth is usually popular. You are simply arguing that. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/419 "2018-07-08T01:17:19Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > The idea that the earth was flat is popular because it was right. The truth is usually popular. > > You are simply arguing that. OIC, you’re a troll, np, I won’t bother reading your responses anymore. ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:40am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/428 "2018-07-08T01:40:24Z")
Go to Jita and open someone’s can. Put a few Plex in it. Then wonder why you get insta-fragged for giving stuff away for free. Hell just move something but take nothing. No harm done…yet suspect flag. Cool stories about the harmless narrative though. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:45am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/429 "2018-07-08T01:45:01Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > Go to Jita and open someone’s can. Put a few Plex in it. Then wonder why you get insta-fragged for giving stuff away for free. Doesn’t even have to be plex. Can be a single Tritanium deposited and taken back. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/430 "2018-07-08T01:46:57Z")
@Ildrara you’re purposely trying to set off the Theft detection stuff, that’s why. @MinerArt that sounds like an excellent distinction. We’ll call the passive unobtrusive module a Scanner. And we’ll call the invasive module a Gun. /thread indeed =) ---
**Author:** ![Ildrara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ildrara/32/56659_2.png) [@Ildrara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ildrara)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/431 "2018-07-08T01:48:19Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Doesn’t even have to be plex. I used Plex because it is worth something to everyone. But yeah…anything will get you a suspect flag when you do that with cans. Harmless but suspect. Kinda like cargo scanners should be. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > you’re purposely trying to set off the Theft detection stuff, that’s why. Maybe I am. But that doesn’t mean anything. Harmless. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Scanners are harmless b/c there are no circumstances in which they could inflict harm of any kind. Putting Plex in someone’s can has no circumstances in which someone could inflict harm of any kind. But but that doesn’t fit the narrative so let’s move the goal posts. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 1:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/432 "2018-07-08T01:59:53Z")
> [@Ildrara](#): > > > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > > > Scanners are harmless b/c there are no circumstances in which they could inflict harm of any kind. > > Putting Plex in someone’s can has no circumstances in which someone could inflict harm of any kind. > > But but that doesn’t fit the narrative so let’s move the goal posts. Interacting with the contents of someone else’s container DOES tend to lead to “harm” by way of stealing those contents. So while you aren’t actively stealing, you are setting off the system by interacting with those contents regardless. Just like using the Tracking Disruptor on a Freighter doesn’t have a harmful effect on that particular ship, it is harmful in general and so it sets off the system. Scanners will NEVER cause an adverse reaction. There is NEVER a possibility that they will harm the target. But that’s okay. You guys like to dance around the module itself. This entire thread has been one case after another of you guys saying “But look at these other examples. Look at how these other things behave and are treated.” And yet… nobody can say why a Scanner is bad. Why the Scanner is wrong. I wish you guys would just admit the only reason you fear the Scanner is b/c you fear the Gank that often comes after being scanned. And yet, being shot is already a crime, and then your argument is done. Oh, and @MinerArt. You mentioned Armored Cars the other day… And how they’re purpose made to be impervious to outside observation. Well, that’s what Blockade Runners are for. If you want to guarantee that your contents are not scanned, you put your stuff in one of those. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/433 "2018-07-08T02:08:28Z")
Sorry but the argument of harmless is already put to bed they’ll continue to move the goalposts. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Just like using the Tracking Disruptor on a Freighter doesn’t have a harmful effect on that particular ship, it is harmful in general and so it sets off the system. That has been used by both sides to affirm that harmless or not harmless is not the point. It’s comedy is that you argue that because something doesn’t actually have a harmful effect means it shouldn’t actually set off the system. Remember your own statement earlier? > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Shooting them is harmful, scrambling them is harmful, tracking disruption is harmful (even if they don’t have turrets, the module itself is the aggressor). And the argument stands. > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > Now activating a module on another player in most cases results in suspect or criminal flagging. > Cargo and Ship scanners are exempt from this because…why? With the statement still being used by multiple players. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Scanners do not affect the target player in any way. > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > Because they do not have any effect on the target. But the problem with this line of thought is that if scanners have no effect on the target what is the point of scanners in the first place? ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/434 "2018-07-08T02:10:00Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Oh, and @MinerArt. You mentioned Armored Cars the other day… And how they’re purpose made to be impervious to outside observation. Well, that’s what Blockade Runners are for. If you want to guarantee that your contents are not scanned, you put your stuff in one of those. Wana know something else that doesn’t allow outside observation? A Cargo Trailer. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/435 "2018-07-08T02:21:12Z")
> [@MinerArt](#): > > Sorry but the argument of harmless is already put to bed they’ll continue to move the goalposts. > > > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > > > Just like using the Tracking Disruptor on a Freighter doesn’t have a harmful effect on that particular ship, it is harmful in general and so it sets off the system. > > That has been used by both sides to affirm that harmless or not harmless is not the point. > > It’s comedy is that you argue that because something doesn’t actually have a harmful effect means it shouldn’t actually set off the system. Remember your own statement earlier? > > > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > > > Shooting them is harmful, scrambling them is harmful, tracking disruption is harmful (even if they don’t have turrets, the module itself is the aggressor). > > And the argument stands. > > > [@Max\_Deveron](#): > > > > Now activating a module on another player in most cases results in suspect or criminal flagging. > > Cargo and Ship scanners are exempt from this because…why? > > With the statement still being used by multiple players. > > > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > > > Scanners do not affect the target player in any way. > > > [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > > > Because they do not have any effect on the target. > > But the problem with this line of thought is that if scanners have no effect on the target what is the point of scanners in the first place? We’ve already discussed this previously. The only thing a Scanner does “against” the target, is invade their privacy. As opposed to digging through their Container, in which case you’re actually stealing their goods. And nobody gives a hairy rats ass about your privacy. That’s why, if you want to keep your cargo private, you’ll fly a Blockade Runner. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/436 "2018-07-08T02:48:26Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > As opposed to digging through their Container, in which case you’re actually stealing their goods. Looking in a jetcan is digging thru their container. This does not flag someone as a thief though. Taking the objects from a container flags them as a thief even if they are the ones who put it in. > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > And nobody gives a hairy rats ass about your privacy. That’s why, if you want to keep your cargo private, you’ll fly a Blockade Runner. The benefit of a Blockade Runner is that even if you scan it you get NO information. This does not change the activation of the scanner which isn’t looking thru a plexiglass container. I’m frankly annoyed you keep pulling the goalposts away. But a trailer is still a trailer no matter how many times you’d like to convert it into Plexiglas. Tell me what’s inside: ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/9/e93b9603dc2ad6f600ead3e4e1ab50d74b67448a.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 2:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/437 "2018-07-08T02:59:14Z")
We’re playing make believe space ships thousands of years in the future… we aren’t talking about plexiglass trailers driving down the highway. Here’s something I could support. Rather than flagging someone for using a Scanner. How about making some modules that increase the difficulty of being scanned? Like armor and shield hardeners, but for sensors. It’s not a directed ECM, so it won’t get the Hauler in trouble. But they’ll be masking the contents of the ship so it’s harder for the Ganker to tell what’s inside. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 3:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/438 "2018-07-08T03:01:45Z")
> [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Here’s something I could support. Rather than flagging someone for using a Scanner. How about making some modules that increase the difficulty of being scanned? Like armor and shield hardeners, but for sensors. It’s not a directed ECM, so it won’t get the Hauler in trouble. But they’ll be masking the contents of the ship so it’s harder for the Ganker to tell what’s inside. Are you giving up your previous argument? > [@Marcus\_Gideon](#): > > Enclosed trailers are not enclosed for privacy. They are enclosed to keep the contents from spilling out. ---
**Author:** ![Marcus\_Gideon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/marcus_gideon/32/141713_2.png) [@Marcus\_Gideon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Marcus_Gideon)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 3:05am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/439 "2018-07-08T03:05:30Z")
Nope. Purely a shot in the dark to see if you guys will quit whining about how the evil space ship looked at you funny. I still say the Scanner is not hurting you in any way. It’s not tampering with the performance of your ship. It’s not attempting to manipulate the contents of your cargo. And it’s certainly not doing any damage to your shields, armor, or hull. All it’s doing is assessing your ship and cargo. The same thing they do on Star Trek all the time. With the push of a button, Worf can tell what kind of armaments they have, and what they’re carrying. And nobody throws a fit because he invaded their privacy. ---
**Author:** ![Anderson\_Geten](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/anderson_geten/32/390041_2.png) [@Anderson\_Geten](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Anderson_Geten)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2018, 5:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/453 "2018-07-08T05:51:15Z")
I got a lesson in how to remain classy yet tell someone when he is an idiot. Thanks ! ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 4:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/454 "2018-07-09T16:16:09Z")
So with the exception of the troll it looks like everyone agrees there is no need for this suspect timer. If people don’t want to be ganked 10v1 they just need to make friends; the game code cannot be changed to protect them 10v1. ---
**Author:** ![CCP\_Falcon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ccp_falcon/32/143229_2.png) [@CCP\_Falcon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/CCP_Falcon)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 5:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/455 "2018-07-09T17:39:51Z")
I’ve had to chop quite a few posts out of this thread. Keep it clean, or people will start to lose their posting privileges. ---
**Author:** ![MinerArt](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/minerart/32/33728_2.png) [@MinerArt](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/MinerArt)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2018, 6:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-cargo-scanner-to-give-penalty-e-g-suspect-timer/83572/456 "2018-07-09T18:54:40Z")
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