# Ship physics related to bumping don't seem to reflect actual IRL physics **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [May 25, 2020, 3:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850 "2020-05-25T15:32:53Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Little\_Fawn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/little_fawn/32/323065_2.png) [@Little\_Fawn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Little_Fawn)\ **Post date:** [July 11, 2020, 5:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/41 "2020-07-11T17:29:13Z")
> [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > Miners aren’t safe in high sec - undocking is a risk. They are susceptible to suicide ganking - which has its own costs on the part of the ganker Exactly the same for the bumper. In fact there’s a good chance the miner is better tanked, and so has greater protection from CONCORD. The asymmetry here is that the miner wants to keep their mining lasers switched on. They want a mechanic that won’t interrupt their income. > [@Mkikaden\_Tiragen](#): > > and it IS an attack An attack that causes no damage, and costs the bumper the same amount of time as it costs the miner. The difference being that the miner loses income. So they want to turn someone suspect just for reducing their income. I turn up with a mining fleet in the space _you_ have been mining in and mine it all away before you can, and if you attempt to bump me you turn suspect and I blow you up. That is also an attack, no? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 1:54am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/42 "2020-07-13T01:54:41Z")
> [@Salt\_Foambreaker](#): > > But one issue is flat wrong and needs to be addressed somehow and that is miner bumping. > > The problem is for a new player, and _mining is one of the primary new player professions_ , **there is no counter**. What? Have you tried bumping a mining barge that’s orbiting the rock it mines? What do you mean “there is no counter”? ---
**Author:** ![Jint\_Hikaru](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/jint_hikaru/32/387656_2.png) [@Jint\_Hikaru](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Jint_Hikaru)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 1:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/43 "2020-07-13T13:29:42Z")
> [@safira\_jomita](#): > > > [@ShahFluffers](#): > > > > How would the game tell the difference between the aggressor and recipient? > > Speed and vector. Check mate So parking a few ships outside a station Undock, or near a gate in line with a frequently traveled route… the person undocking or AP-ing to Gate will bump into some stationary ships, making that person the aggressor!!! Nice solution you have there. You may want to rethink that ‘Check mate’ ---
**Author:** ![Mark\_Hadden](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mark_hadden/32/414325_2.png) [@Mark\_Hadden](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mark_Hadden)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/44 "2020-07-13T17:11:35Z")
bumping is not a function of physics, if it was your ship wouldn’t survive a single one of such events. Bumping is an evasive maneuver initiated and controlled by ships AI for collision avoidance. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 5:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/45 "2020-07-13T17:37:33Z")
Lack of skill hitting a moving target is not a counter. Practice more 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/46 "2020-07-13T18:46:59Z")
LOL. You don’t know what you’re talking about. Again, have you tried it or not? How much are you willing to bet that you would be able to bump me away from the lasers mining range if I’m flying a Procurer? ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/47 "2020-07-13T19:21:33Z")
Don’t approach from the side, approach from above, Khan 😜 ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [July 13, 2020, 7:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/48 "2020-07-13T19:44:00Z")
I’ll take that as a no, then. And you’re not willing to bet anything on your ability to bump me if I’m flying a Procurer either, are you? ---
**Author:** ![safira\_jomita](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/safira_jomita/32/405219_2.png) [@safira\_jomita](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/safira_jomita)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 1:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/49 "2020-07-14T01:03:55Z")
You can start by that shitty mechanic of parking close to stations all day. Even combat close to stations should be removed . if you staying too close to exit of station y get a warning, then a timer, then concorded. Simple as that. That kind of mechanics are part of some old games. not that hard to code it. would that harm the game or be abusable? I don’t see that happening. Enlighten me if so. and plz don’t tell me sit all day to kill easy targets is content. they should be camping gates, not station exit Docks. ---
**Author:** ![Salt\_Foambreaker](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/salt_foambreaker/32/280119_2.png) [@Salt\_Foambreaker](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Salt_Foambreaker)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/50 "2020-07-14T14:27:06Z")
> [@Knowledgeminer](#): > > I’ll take that as a no Wrong, that was a how too. Maybe you are the one who needs to learn? ---
**Author:** ![Knowledgeminer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/knowledgeminer/32/422883_2.png) [@Knowledgeminer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Knowledgeminer)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/51 "2020-07-14T14:35:23Z")
Of course I’m willing to learn. I even offered you the possibility of making a fortune teaching me… So how much are you willing to bet that you’d be able to bump me, then? ---
**Author:** ![Max\_Deveron](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/max_deveron/32/245870_2.png) [@Max\_Deveron](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Max_Deveron)\ **Post date:** [July 14, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/52 "2020-07-14T17:43:19Z")
negative, those small ice miners can be put on expedition frigs only I believe ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [October 12, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ship-physics-related-to-bumping-dont-seem-to-reflect-actual-irl-physics/243850/53 "2020-10-12T17:43:36Z")
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