# Shooting new players is a good thing! YES or NO? **URL:** \ **Category:** Crime & Punishment\ **Created:** [August 2, 2018, 1:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680 "2018-08-02T13:00:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Sydney\_Andrews](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sydney_andrews/32/510986_2.png) [@Sydney\_Andrews](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sydney_Andrews)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 12:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/157 "2018-08-09T12:42:56Z")
Aw man! Where were you when I got exploded! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![holdmybeer](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/holdmybeer/32/147512_2.png) [@holdmybeer](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/holdmybeer)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 1:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/159 "2018-08-09T13:14:43Z")
> [@Saeger1737](#): > > A kill is kill no matter if it’s a rookie Corvette or a Titan… Welcome to eve ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/e/a/eaa95122b1f32b5380dc734d242b7ec8a0d69791.jpeg) At least anti-ganking agrees. ---
**Author:** ![Mortlake](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mortlake/32/510240_2.png) [@Mortlake](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mortlake)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/160 "2018-08-09T16:15:23Z")
I don’t check ages before killing and honestly, injectors mean a week old character may have more skills than you. Blame CCP I guess? ---
**Author:** ![GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garegin_nzhdeh/32/343579_2.png) [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GAREGIN_NZHDEH)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/161 "2018-08-09T16:46:34Z")
That’s codes technique for getting kill rights, now those pilots need to worry cause code is on the prowl for them. ---
**Author:** ![GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/garegin_nzhdeh/32/343579_2.png) [@GAREGIN\_NZHDEH](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/GAREGIN_NZHDEH)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2018, 4:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/162 "2018-08-09T16:51:04Z")
See since you don’t check if I send alts into low/null on auto pilot, you light it up, you get happy, happy, I’ve provided you with content, that is the point of this new suicide Corp that instead of blowing up get blown up, everyone wins, you get to pad your board we get to win by losing, everyone is happy. ---
**Author:** ![Bolvek\_Einherjar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bolvek_einherjar/32/89990_2.png) [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bolvek_Einherjar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/163 "2018-08-10T12:04:13Z")
by the yes reason thinkers, “shooting down” new players while they are the majority of the new people that will purchase the game time, plex or whatever really helps the economics of the game (we vets earn it) working for it, not pirating), well maybe you should have finished school and learned we need the upper class people in space earning money so the pirates can rob from them once and a while, if the pirating, looting, shooting and basic gunning everyone down doesn’t stop soon (or at least slow down / / hey CCP maybe increase the CONCORD, that might shut them down a while), this very sad result of less than a 10% return of votes to views… my naysayers, actually its a heavy pvp environment, and boys (and girls) wil be boys (and girls) - i know that conflicts with the previous statement, and it should… i think we are considered uh, a, … sociopaths?, yeah i thinks that’s the word… yeah, pretty sure - if not, consider this, aren’t you the same persons that would have one “persona” as it were, that is your pirate character that you would take in to say the shopping regions of your area and do some ganking, pirating, and basically stealing stuff… /// and then switch “persona” to your primary character and probably fleet with someone you just stole from and run incursions / missions / or even be in a corp with … see. that makes many of you out there sociopaths and you know many people out that do it. So seriously, is shooting new players a good thing? if we want to keep growing the community, maybe we should find out what kind of player they want to be first … are they the pirate persona, or the corpie persona? On which path are you? -Bolvi (yeah i ramble, with socio-salt) ---
**Author:** ![Vale\_Koenig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vale_koenig/32/425268_2.png) [@Vale\_Koenig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vale_Koenig)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/164 "2018-08-10T12:44:21Z")
that can be ture, but if u talk with ppl you can see if he is a newbro. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/165 "2018-08-10T13:05:49Z")
> [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](#): > > that makes many of you out there sociopaths No it doesn’t. This is a game not RL. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/166 "2018-08-10T13:54:26Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > > [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](#): > > > > that makes many of you out there sociopaths > > No it doesn’t. This is a game not RL. I kind of does. I mean, when someone uses the time for how recently a player started to play EVE as their sole reason to shoot them, then they are using a real life aspect to base their decision on. The question then is, is one a sociopath because of the decisions one makes, or because of the consequences they have? When I pick up a gun and shoot at you in RL, but I miss, what am I? Or if I was a sociopath and I’d be living in the middle of the woods with nobody around, would I then no longer be a sociopath or would I be a lonely sociopath? While I’m not trying to label others as sociopaths, am I not so sure if shooting others in-game without any in-game reasons wouldn’t allow for some kind of judgement on that person in real life when their decision is solely based on a real life aspect. Whatever one wants to believe in the end, it’s still only a game. And if one uses a game to live out a bit of sociopathic tendencies, and doesn’t turn it into harassment (which is against the EULA) do I not see anything wrong with it. Human nature isn’t perfect. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Chicken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_chicken/32/45651_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Chicken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Chicken)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/167 "2018-08-10T14:05:38Z")
> [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](#): > > So seriously, is shooting new players a good thing? if we want to keep growing the community, maybe we should find out what kind of player they want to be first … The words of someone who’s never been in a PVP engagement. People who say things like “we should do X before blowing someone up” always confound me. Like, how is this supposed to look in practice? Someone wanders into my wormhole and before obliterating them with my sabre I’m supposed to determine how long they’ve been playing and inquire as to their goals and motivations? Please spin me the scenario where something like this practically takes place. ---
**Author:** ![Black\_Pedro](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/black_pedro/32/257285_2.png) [@Black\_Pedro](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Black_Pedro)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 2:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/168 "2018-08-10T14:27:51Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > The question then is, is one a sociopath because of the decisions one makes, or because of the consequences they have? A sociopath has a clear definition: someone who lacks empathy or understanding of what is right or wrong. Someone who understands what they are doing is wrong (being a space pirate for example) but does it anyway because this is a video game where you are playing in an imaginary world for fun is perfectly normal. No mental health professional in the land would say trying to win at an imaginary game people voluntarily play is sociopathic or psycopathic. Going after new players because they are new in a game is being a bad sport perhaps, but this game is full of players seeking out fights and other situations they have the advantage in. In fact, some of the most spiteful behaviour and displays of poor sportsmanship come from players who get upset when they lose something. I can play a video game as a bad guy without having to have a mental illness. I am fully capable of separating fantasy from reality and can engage in ruthless, belligerent, and (space) violent behavior in our shared fantasy with no ill effect. But I keep my aggressive behavior in-game because I agree, players can and do sometimes cross the line into the real world when the resort to personal insults or real-world threats, but rarely (if ever? No, Holey is an example of a “bad guy” who took things out of game in an unhealthy way) have seen a space bad guy engage in such EULA-breaking behaviour. Shooting newbros is fine and should be encouraged to include them in the interesting parts of the game as soon as possible. Players that prey on them exclusively to stroke their own ego, or to exploit them, are abhorred by the general player base. Nothing will motivate a bunch of veterans to band together to wage war on someone than accusing that person of exploiting newbros and rightly so. That is how it should be - a self-correcting mechanism where the law of the jungle will sort out those preying on new players rather than just shooting them to make them part of the fun. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/169 "2018-08-10T16:29:23Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > I kind of does. No, it kind of doesn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Bolvek\_Einherjar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bolvek_einherjar/32/89990_2.png) [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bolvek_Einherjar)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 4:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/170 "2018-08-10T16:57:10Z")
ok, maybe its a little more clear if you it this way - if you are [within in the confines of the EVE environment] PVE/PVP say ALL of the time, as we are all the time and we shoot at everyone, no matter the consequences that makes us a killer, plunderer, the “pirate” - - then always play that persona, you have no alts, no other personas, no other accounts, notta, zilch - - - - - conversely speaking, if you are of course the protector, the corpie, the “CONCORD” type, well – then always play that persona, you have no alts, no other personas, no other accounts, notta, zilch maybe our focus is too spread out in determining how to focus “good thing” and moreover, what persona am I always going to play? will i become the ultimate space pirate and marry the greatest space wench this side of Jita, or will i single handed take on the pandemic horde titans at the gates of the domain with the abyssal lancers to my back; of course the having the greatest space damsel just rescued me from certain doom at the hands of the former goonswarm… ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/171 "2018-08-10T17:03:46Z")
> [@Bolvek\_Einherjar](#): > > ok, maybe its a little more clear No it’s even less clear now. Seriously try to write some coherent sentences, it is really hard to decipher what you actually try to say. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/172 "2018-08-10T17:35:41Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > No, it kind of doesn’t. Yeah, I think it does. I’m going to agree to disagree. What then does it matter, when you shoot players, because they are new, and people then call you whatever they want to call you? They’ll call you anything anyway and it’s not something one can do much about. What is a bit disturbing there is not wanting to be called a sociopath. ---
**Author:** ![Dom\_Arkaral](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dom_arkaral/32/462611_2.png) [@Dom\_Arkaral](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dom_Arkaral)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/173 "2018-08-10T17:53:57Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > What is a bit disturbing there is not wanting to be called a sociopath. Why should anyone be called a sociopath if they’re not one? Rip argument, it died quicker than ag trying to save freighters ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 5:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/174 "2018-08-10T17:57:19Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Yeah, I think it does No it doesn’t. It’s a video game and people can separate a game from reality. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/175 "2018-08-10T18:05:18Z")
> [@Ima\_Wreckyou](#): > > No it doesn’t. It’s a video game and people can separate a game from reality. Actually they don’t when their sole reason is to shoot someone based on how new they are to the game. ---
**Author:** ![Whitehound](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/whitehound/32/59604_2.png) [@Whitehound](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Whitehound)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/176 "2018-08-10T18:06:26Z")
> [@Dom\_Arkaral](#): > > Why should anyone be called a sociopath if they’re not one? Because when you don’t want to be called one then that’s reason enough to call you one, isn’t it? Either you own it, or it owns you. ---
**Author:** ![Ima\_Wreckyou](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ima_wreckyou/32/235531_2.png) [@Ima\_Wreckyou](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ima_Wreckyou)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2018, 6:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680/177 "2018-08-10T18:10:16Z")
> [@Whitehound](#): > > Actually they don’t when their sole reason is to shoot someone based on how new they are to the game. Yes they do actually. They may be idiots but they know it is a game and they don’t actually hurt people. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-new-players-is-a-good-thing-yes-or-no/94680.md?page=8)