# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/206 "2022-09-11T13:15:53Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > How about the folks who consider themselves to be such hardcore PvP badasses simply HTFU and stop being such snowflake candyasses that they begin to melt when harsh words appear on a screen from a rando on the internet? I agree. I once made a jesty playful banter style of comment to a CEO of a prominent FW corp, who was making a complaint in local after a fight didn’t go as planned. What followed was schoolboy level of insults flung at me, I just tried to defuse and when that didn’t happen, simply left to let him stew in his own verbal sewage. Generally, people need to re-learn how to take _a game_ as _fun_. It doesn’t matter if they are a “carebear” or “hardcore PvPer”: ships _will explode_ and things not go as desired. ---
**Author:** ![Vokan\_Narkar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vokan_narkar/32/326293_2.png) [@Vokan\_Narkar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vokan_Narkar)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/207 "2022-09-11T13:53:19Z")
Wast Majority of the agressors can handle it. But why should they? Why do you keep trying to justify toxic behavior? Even if the game itself evokes it somehow, and I don’t agree with that, it is still clearly anti-social behavior and if you don’t punish those players they will only spread the toxicity further and it escalates. I took my lesson ignoring the toxicity against myself and my game server on a discord. End result for doing that was more toxicity to the point it made me completely lose motivation to work on it anymore. In the end I had to ban not just 1 toxic player who started that crap, but 3 more who saw that he is getting away with it and started doing it too. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/208 "2022-09-11T13:54:45Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > There’s 18,000 characters logged in right. Less than 50 of those are foruming. Forum arguments and debate are the very definition of a ‘tempest in a teapot’. I was in Trossere the other day when someone typed ’ Hey…you’re that Altara Zemara from the forums, aren’t you ?’ in Local. Maybe they were just pleased to see that some of us actually log in. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/209 "2022-09-11T14:21:19Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > I agree. YOU ARE A MOST ADEQUATE POSTER. Seriously Io, either stay on the “Mad as a March Hare” list where I had you, or move to the “Intelligent Life May Exist Here” list, but please stop hopping back and forth. It’s distracting. Fear not though, I may return later to shred some of your posts in my handy-dandy John Deere Logic-Chopper. > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > you are oppressed by the fossilized opinion of the silent majority that in the end turns into a leviathan with infinite power tutucox moved to fill Io’s spot on the “March Hare” list. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I was in Trossere the other day when someone typed ’ Hey…you’re that Altara Zemara from the forums Yep I get spotted occasionally as well, often followed by “Hold still while I come shoot you”. The rarity of seeing or being seen by someone else active on the forums drives home just what a tiny segment of EVE’s player base we are. Which puts “the madness of the forums” in perfect perspective. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/210 "2022-09-11T14:25:09Z")
Ive seen forum folks come to our discord to utilize our services, i havent seen too many in game. ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/211 "2022-09-11T14:28:21Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > YOU ARE A MOST ADEQUATE POSTER. 🤣 > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Seriously Io, either stay on the “Mad as a March Hare” list where I had you, or move to the “Intelligent Life May Exist Here” list, but please stop hopping back and forth. It’s distracting. Fear not, I am 100% confident in my ability to upset just about anyone, given enough time. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/212 "2022-09-11T16:39:57Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I was in Trossere the other day when someone typed ’ Hey…you’re that Altara Zemara from the forums, aren’t you ?’ in Local. > > Maybe they were just pleased to see that some of us actually log in. Doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 4:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/213 "2022-09-11T16:40:27Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > Fear not, I am 100% confident in my ability to upset just about anyone, given enough time. Expect for me. Because I’m your alt. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 5:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/214 "2022-09-11T17:32:53Z")
> [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > aware my post have less words and more compassion than yours you just hate elderly people IMO ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/215 "2022-09-11T17:40:54Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > > [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > > > aware > > A meaningless quote without context Your post was basically “toughen up, there is no such thing as inequality, racism, sexism, ageism etc etc” All justified using the words of a play write that has been dead for over 100 years. Point to the compassion in your post. Go on take your time. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/216 "2022-09-11T17:42:27Z")
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**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 5:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/217 "2022-09-11T17:43:13Z")
> [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > Point to the compassion in your post. > people fight with their brothers I’m calling for peace in the forum like any great soul like me should do ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/218 "2022-09-11T18:52:30Z")
> [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > This is what makes the game unfair, PvP players being the only short-term winners in history; My guy, EVE has been a PvP game since the beginning. That isn’t the problem LOL. > [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > But that CCP, the publisher of the game, can interact/interfere with this virtual capitalism of New Eden in order to take advantage of it IRL Uh yea. The company needs to make money ROFL. > [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > a- Because in the real world, the invisible hand of Adam Smith is all of us! Here, the existence of a God is a belief. More difficultly, this is called economic democracy. Hm. Maybe don’t eat the things you find in the forest yennoe? > [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > The proof is in the figures as it was the players of the first period, 2003-2007, who made the reputation of the game and the glory of CCP during the first decade! Oh, you mean me? 😃 > [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > i- Take into account the security rating of the characters in the calculation of CONCORD’s response times in high-sec so that players with very high security ratings are fairly protected against attacks by smugglers. Ahh. All the words and the smokescreen finally reveal your real intent. Yea, that’ll be a hard pass for me dawg LOL. This is just a whine for carebear wrapped in faux intellectual wrappings. > [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > ii- Reinforce the persistence of the New Eden universe, the evolution of which must come back into the hands of the players alone. It already is. But the players are refusing to act. CCP didn’t take away the ablility to craft our own stories. Players are just lazy now 😃 > [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > Yep I get spotted occasionally as well, often followed by “Hold still while I come shoot you”. The rarity of seeing or being seen by someone else active on the forums drives home just what a tiny segment of EVE’s player base we are. Which puts “the madness of the forums” in perfect perspective. Despite all the hate people fling at me here, no one tries to shoot me in game ☹ ---
**Author:** ![A8ina](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/a8ina/32/396998_2.png) [@A8ina](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/A8ina)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/219 "2022-09-11T19:01:40Z")
Are you talking about lower or high security If you doing that in high security the people there don’t want to play ball with you , in low sec is consensual ---
**Author:** ![Mr\_Deadly](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mr_deadly/32/388173_2.png) [@Mr\_Deadly](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mr_Deadly)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/220 "2022-09-11T19:36:08Z")
PVP is allowed in Highsec, it comes with rules of engagement and penalties for infringement that are swift and decisive. for example, you can duel someone and shoot their ship out from under them with zero consequences by engaging in a duel (if they accept). Or you can sucker them in to attacking you, and force them to eat Concord cutting lasers. Or you can draw them out to Lowsec or Nullsec where there is less of a penalty to unsanctioned pew pew. Or you can make yourself suspect by stealing a can or some other thing that turns you yellow blinky, allow someone you know you can tank to shoot you hence engage in limited combat where you can then turn their pretty little spaceship into glitter, again with zero consequences. Or you can simply go out in a cheap gank tank destroyer, blow up a hauler, fly in an alt in another hauler and loot the wreck (and your concorded wreck) and make dank ISK. When you’ve sold the loot for that dank ISK you buy tags and turn them in for standings. Rinse and repeat. PVP is legal. PVP is encouraged. The mechanisms for many types of Highsec PVP are there ready to be utilised, and every one of them is legitimate gameplay. If you don’t like that idea, there are mechanisms to avoid Highsec PVP that are every bit as involved in their learning curve as the art of the gank itself. Moaning at the devs on a public forum to change the game mechanics in favour of someone who can’t be bothered to learn how to play the game is just… laughable if it wasn’t so pathetically whiney. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/221 "2022-09-11T20:24:05Z")
I think you might be responding to the wrong person. I’m pretty sure that @Aiko_Danuja is aware of the strategies regarding pvp in hi sec. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/222 "2022-09-11T22:00:27Z")
Calling for peace while denying inequity and diminishing the plight of those who labour under it. Such compassion. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/223 "2022-09-11T23:24:07Z")
> [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > Such compassion. be mindful that the ■■■■ i say here is OFC not without some level of sophism I’m having fun in the process , most of the time I’m just making a silly joke some days in the middle of the night i write some stupid wall of text or waterer i promise i have good intentions you are taking ■■■■ to serious > [@Ferdiad\_Silver](#): > > denying inequity and diminishing the plight of those who labour under it. Such compassion. bruh … rly??? in my mind i was trying to make a point for individuality vs tribalism , saying that we fight our brothers instead of revolting against the greater powers that really oppress us maybe my analogies were ■■■■ maybe it was a bunch of nonsense that said i could have started with > In the beginning was the Word to point how MY words are awesome but i think this is more appropriate > That is well said, but we must cultivate our garden. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/224 "2022-09-11T23:42:36Z")
> [@Mr\_Deadly](#): > > Or you can simply go out in a cheap gank tank destroyer, blow up a hauler, fly in an alt in another hauler and loot the wreck (and your concorded wreck) and make dank ISK. When you’ve sold the loot for that dank ISK you buy tags and turn them in for standings. Rinse and repeat. Chip truth. If I had multiple accounts, I would totally gank more often for de profit. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 11:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/225 "2022-09-11T23:50:47Z")
> [@SoldMyChar\_ForISK](#): > > I did not consent for any PVP if they want to grief people they can go to the PVP server. If you don’t want the possibility of PVP, then go to the PVE server. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=10) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=12)