# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 17
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/446 "2022-09-13T02:58:36Z")
> [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > I just come here to learn how mine and make things plus mission but they keep shotting us up. So need to know how this is allowed as it is violation of several countries cyber bully laws and anti-griefing. > > We need button to make safe PVE in highsec space as legally alllowed. Sigh. 1/10 man for real. At least put a little more effort in. > [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > It is against german cyber bully laws to shoot or cause grief without consent. This needs to be addressed. Learn how TOS’s work kthx 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 2:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/447 "2022-09-13T02:58:59Z")
This can only go one of two ways 1. CCP removed all pvp from the game to comply or 2. stop doing business with Germany so they don’t have deal with its anti-cyber bullying laws. There’s a third option here, but my post will get censored and/or removed because [redacted] and a lack of [redacted] of how actual law works. ---
**Author:** ![Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daopa_mission_master/32/334349_2.png) [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daopa_Mission_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/448 "2022-09-13T03:00:16Z")
no you making threat is not welcome here. trying to play game without bullies. ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/449 "2022-09-13T03:04:10Z")
It is gate keeping with no ability to strike back at the gate keepers (ie the toxic key board killers). Those of us who do not want to join your blue donut, or have the time to spend in six to eight hour fleets get it. And we are finally saying no to your gate keeping, your toxic play and to CCPs greed. Have fun guys, my money for three omegas and what was going to be ten omegas will be used else where. Enjoy your game. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/450 "2022-09-13T03:07:40Z")
> [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > no you making threat is not welcome here. trying to play game without bullies. Meh. I’m not impressed with the trolling. Please try again later, with more effort 😃 > [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > And we are finally saying no to your gate keeping, your toxic play and to CCPs greed. Have fun guys, my money for three omegas and what was going to be ten omegas will be used else where. Enjoy your game. So uh. Can I haz the stuff? ---
**Author:** ![Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tenger_ondor_khaan/32/357667_2.png) [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Tenger_Ondor_Khaan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/451 "2022-09-13T03:14:23Z")
When you started this industrial ganking in high sec and your gate keeping of the game to prevent high sec players from playing the game that they wanted, you were warned that you were pissing on the door step to the game and that it would result in lower player numbers and CCP losing revenue. Well you accomplished what you wanted and the active numbers show that CCP financials will be in the toilet. Way to go team. You did a good job. Not only did you take a great piss on EVEs door step but your gate keeping ■■■■ has caused this mess. As for my time and money I will go else where for entertainment. Way to go dude. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/452 "2022-09-13T03:15:10Z")
> [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > It is against german cyber bully laws to shoot or cause grief without consent. This needs to be addressed. i find it hard to believe BUT if it is the case CCP needs to put the classic alert on the undock button of the german version of the game "by clicking undock you consent to PVP , are you ok with that ? YES. NO. " OFC if you press NO you stay docked ---
**Author:** ![Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daopa_mission_master/32/334349_2.png) [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daopa_Mission_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:39am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/453 "2022-09-13T03:39:39Z")
Yeah they dont listen. Hopefully the class action lawsuit Hateless is working on around the illegal griefing and player torture will wake them up. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/454 "2022-09-13T03:48:11Z")
eve have a 3rd party tool called zkilboard > **[zkillboard.com / Home](https://zkillboard.com/)** > > zkillboard.com is a killboard for the Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Game (MMORPG) EVE-Online. wen you register your character in the site you consent to give ALL your interactions using the game API most high sec players don’t register in zkill but you bet the GANKERS and other PVP players do because they like to brag about their kills you @Daopa_Mission_Master and you @Tenger_Ondor_Khaan have no entries on zkillboard that makes the claim that you are guys are harassed in game kinda hard to believe i recommend that you two register on zkill for further documentation I’m not saying CCP people cant see what is going on , they can , I’m talking about forum complains ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/455 "2022-09-13T04:38:36Z")
> [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > When you started this industrial ganking in high sec and your gate keeping of the game to prevent high sec players from playing the game that they wanted, I mean, just move out of the SoE hub my dude. LOL. > [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > Yeah they dont listen. Hopefully the class action lawsuit Hateless is working on around the illegal griefing and player torture will wake them up. ROFL ok, this gotta be straight lies LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/456 "2022-09-13T04:48:48Z")
> [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > step but your gate keeping ■■■■ has caused this mess I think you mean gate CAMPING. And you should try it. Spectre Fleet runs a pretty solid one several times a week. Lighten up, see how the other half lives for awhile. You might enjoy it. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 7:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/457 "2022-09-13T07:21:31Z")
> [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > prevent high sec players from playing the game that they wanted Im a high sec player who plays how they want, am I inconvenient? ---
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/458 "2022-09-13T08:04:39Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > who plays how they want # How dare you! 😛 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/459 "2022-09-13T08:26:41Z")
I know right, its almost like Ive a mind of my own and dont feel compelled to listen when someone is telling me Im playing wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 10:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/460 "2022-09-13T10:19:35Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > "by clicking undock you consent to PVP , are you ok with that ? YES. NO. " > > OFC if you press NO you stay docked That is the best solution I have read yet. ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 2:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/461 "2022-09-13T14:10:45Z")
So this is going back a fair ways in the thread, but I can’t keep up with the posting spam. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, and I get that, and if you want to strive for that purity at the cost of the longevity of the game, go right ahead. This is an issue that comes up a lot. One group is like “If you change EVE you ruin it, it must be pure harsh PvP forevah or it’s just Farmville in space”. The other group is “You have to make it PvE-safe or it will simply wither away. It won’t be EVE if only a couple thousand people are playing it.” The thing is, EVE can actually accommodate full-on PvP, more and better than it has now, _and_ PvE play. It can’t be all one or the other but it can do both to a less extreme extent. The problem is that CCP simply won’t make that transition so long as $60 million per year is rolling in. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > From my perspective I just don’t see why it would really impact the rest of the playerbase in any meaningful way if the game also attracted loads of people who do just want to sit there and PvE all day. I’ve said before that EVE could easily handle another 10,000 players just sitting and farming whatever as much as they like. Personally I wouldn’t allow them to do so in perfect safety, although I’d definitely adjust the current game mechanics so there was more of an ecosystem to PvP. At the moment PvP in high sec has no real balance - it’s primarily just cheap gankships ganking productive (even though lazy/stupid/unwary) players for profit. It’s boring and one-dimensional. It’s a playstyle that pays for itself with little risk or engagement and little benefit to the game as a whole. The primary lack is that there’s no motivation (other than RP or grudge) to hunt the hunters. It takes a lot of time, there’s no profit or standings etc. in it, and anyone you shoot just re-ships into another cheap gankship anyway. So the system of consquences/rewards in high sec could use some work, and then there might be a little less ganking and a little more actual ship combat going on. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I want carebears to come here, be safe and pay CCP until the end of time for just enjoying the game in their own way, because ultimately I don’t think their impact would be negative on the rest of the game, they’d just pump subs. I would certainly like to see more of anyone enjoying EVE and paying for it, and I suspect that having a ton of active PvE accounts would result in nothing but lower prices for a lot of things. And more potential content sitting in space. I wouldn’t go so far as to say “Carebears be safe forever” simply because that would be quite boring for the niche audience of EVE. There are a lot of MMORPGs that you can be safe forever in, why try to make EVE simply another one of those? Best result would be to make PvE a balance of reward and risk that appeals to more players and has less boring grind. And to make PvP a set of consequences and rewards that leads to a healthier combat environment than simply ganking, ambushing, and N x3 hot-dropping. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/462 "2022-09-13T14:40:25Z")
> [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > "by clicking undock you consent to PVP , are you ok with that ? YES. NO. " There is in fact _already_ a warning that pops up if you try to undock in a totally un-fitted ship. Which is interesting as why would such a warning even be necessary outside of the context of PvP. So there is _already_ a message that tells you to expect PvP outside. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 3:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/464 "2022-09-13T15:57:17Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > They way I see it though, there’s no reason that CCP can’t have areas for PvE with no player combat Does the bizarre way you see things not perceive that that situation is called ’ a single player game '. You know, those things you download from Steam and never ever have to meet those nasty smelly things called ‘other people’ but only ever meet NPCs ? I mean, what is the **point** of having a MMO server for a…wait for it…MULTIPLAYER game, if you are gonna leave out the MULTI bit ?? ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/466 "2022-09-13T16:03:24Z")
I dont really understand what the point in the end result of changing the game in either direction to an extreme. But until they make combat intuitive, I cant say I see the fun in either. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/467 "2022-09-13T16:10:10Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > No, because it’s not a single player game even if you’re engaging in PvE in “perfect safety”. It _may as well_ be a single player game if other players are purely incidental to the game and have a role little different to the NPCs. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A game being multiplayer doesn’t require there to be direct conflict between those players at all, let alone at every single moment in the game. Combat is the end goal of Eve. It is what all that mining, hauling, etc, is **for**. It is what _defines_ the multiplayer aspect of Eve. What a person could do in a ‘PvE only’ simulation does not require other people at all. I could go mining, ratting, hauling, etc etc is there was not a single other person in Eve. I could do PvE combat on a server with just ONE person on it. _That is a single player game_. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=16) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=18)