# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/468 "2022-09-13T16:12:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > A game being multiplayer doesn’t require there to be direct conflict between those players at all, let alone at every single moment in the game. Unless it’s EvE Online, a full-on pvp game ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/470 "2022-09-13T16:14:30Z")
Tbh Im on the verge of campaigning for all space to be High Sec. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/471 "2022-09-13T16:30:26Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, but not highsec combat. Yes…its why it is called ‘high’ security and not ‘absolute’ security ! It is why highsec is divided into regions from 1.0 to 0.5…with the lower end being less safe. What the hell are you less safe FROM in a 0.5 system…eh ?? And don’t tell me its rats…as the Concord response times have nothing to do with rats. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/473 "2022-09-13T16:37:12Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why, do you want us to have something else to argue about? Might as well have the lot. If we are going down the route of safe space why shouldnt Null suffer too? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The rest of space should be more dangerous from a PvP perspective starting with null as that’s still ludicrously safe for farming. Nope, eradicate Null first. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/474 "2022-09-13T17:27:17Z")
> [@Tenger\_Ondor\_Khaan](#): > > When you started this industrial ganking in high sec and your gate keeping of the game to prevent high sec players from playing the game that they wanted, you were warned that you were pissing on the door step to the game and that it would result in lower player numbers and CCP losing revenue. I have a confession to make. I am not an elite low sec pirate, or even a mad-dog ganker. I mostly run missions, do afk mining, and faction warfare. This morning I woke up, logged in, and undocked my barges and went afk mining while I took a shower. I have no fear of afk mining because I am just a little cautious, and recognize that on the amazingly rare times I do get blapped, I have already paid for my barges ten times over. If you are constantly getting ganked in high sec, so much so that you feel like you can’t play your game, you are really doing something wrong. Maybe adapt a little bit, fit a tank, and move to a new location. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/475 "2022-09-13T17:27:40Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Good job at completely avoiding all points made Er…no…the fact that you just totally bypassed the perfectly valid point I made about Concord response times really marks you as little more than a troll. People give you perfectly good responses and explanations…and you just _ignore_ them and try to force things back on to some singular rant you have made 763 times. My God…the fact that I can often even see you typing a response before others have finished theirs shows how much you genuinely give a damn what anyone else has to say. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I personally think highsec should be safe from non-consensual combat PvP but have higher PvE risks. Which you have now said 764 times. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:51pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/476 "2022-09-13T17:51:52Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Which you have now said 764 times. Yeah but you could pick up whete I left off with him on it. He has stated that being killed by NPCs is less psychologically impactful than being killed by players. Now, bearing in mind the NPCs that can gank can and do also cheat, do you also think that its more likely to affect a player to be killed by a person or NPC? And in what way? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/477 "2022-09-13T17:58:13Z")
> [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > He has stated that being killed by NPCs is less psychologically impactful than being killed by players. You can kill 678,563 NPCs and get zero killboard record…yet get killed by a single NPC and you get a killboard record. Why isn’t Lucas railing about people needing post-traumatic hypnotherapy counselling from _that_ one-sidedness ? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/479 "2022-09-13T20:39:45Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > I wouldn’t go so far as to say “Carebears be safe forever” simply because that would be quite boring for the niche audience of EVE. There are a lot of MMORPGs that you can be safe forever in, why try to make EVE simply another one of those? > > Best result would be to make PvE a balance of reward and risk that appeals to more players and has less boring grind. And to make PvP a set of consequences and rewards that leads to a healthier combat environment than simply ganking, ambushing, and N x3 hot-dropping. I would support this. However, you gotta realize, he won’t compromise. People want total safety because a lot of times they can’t handle getting blapped. I do want more PvP but I also think ganking should remain the same but have more counters put in. I want sec status to actually mean something. > [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > I mean, what is the **point** of having a MMO server for a…wait for it…MULTIPLAYER game, if you are gonna leave out the MULTI bit ?? Because they don’t want the risk 😃 They could simply play NMS and punch trees for carbon 😃 > [@Wadiest\_Yong](#): > > Unless it’s EvE Online, a full-on pvp game Yes sir! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, but not highsec combat. Wut. Yea it is. Combat anywhere is the end goal LOL. You know what EVE stands for right? ROFL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > PvP in highsec is not required for the game to be multiplayer and highsec combat is not “the end goal of Eve”, no matter how many undefended structures you bash. Actually the end goal is whatever you want to make it. So yes, it is 😃 Welcome to the sand box bruv 😃 > [@Ramona\_McCandless](#): > > He has stated that being killed by NPCs is less psychologically impactful than being killed by players. > > Now, bearing in mind the NPCs that can gank can and do also cheat, do you also think that its more likely to affect a player to be killed by a person or NPC? And in what way? Oh I was way more mad at getting killed by the triangle lames then I ever was by players LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 8:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/481 "2022-09-13T20:54:38Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Almost certainly not what you think it does. Oh. So you don’t know. Got it 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 9:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/483 "2022-09-13T21:03:17Z")
Its ok if you don’t know bro. Just know shooting ships in any sec of space isn’t toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 9:13pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/485 "2022-09-13T21:13:48Z")
Not really? My guy, you are definitely not the soul of EVE 😃 But as we all know, it isn’t toxic to shoot ships anywhere in non-noob space 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/487 "2022-09-13T21:21:03Z")
Someone seems a little angry today 😃 Whine? Not really. I accept the risk that comes from not multi-boxing. Actually if you had bothered to look up the gamall vargur, you’d know why you’re wrong 😃 You actually don’t know what I want bruv 😃 That would involve you actually listening LOL. Why would I be worried about CCP? You need a hug bro? All I’m saying is it isn’t toxic to shoot ships in any non-newb security space yennoe? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/489 "2022-09-13T21:26:59Z")
Yennoe, what kinda baffles me is this obsession you have with Fortnite. I don’t get why its your go to insult. Like, I don’t even like the game that much? You insulting Fortnite doesn’t bother me LOL. Also, a space BR probably would be pretty cool. But EVE isn’t the right model for that LOL. Again, shooting ships in any non-newb security of space isn’t toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 10:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/491 "2022-09-13T22:07:28Z")
Uh brosef? Your the only dude on these forums bringing up Fortnite LOL. Also shooting ships in any sec non newb area isn’t toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 10:08pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/492 "2022-09-13T22:08:32Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Oh I was way more mad at getting killed by the triangle lames then I ever was by players LOL. I’ll second that. One of my noob alts warped right into what was effectively an NPC gank. Eight NPCs…warped scrammed me…bye bye frigate. The fact that it was all so mechanical, and there was nobody to even say anything to, whether it be ‘gf’ or ‘wtf !’…actually made it _worse_ than being blapped by gankers. So I dunno where Lucas gets the notion from that people cope easier with NPCs. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 11:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/494 "2022-09-13T23:33:11Z")
Cept she isn’t saying her story is everyone’s, Just hers LOL. She does have a point, that it may motivate other as it has hers. Also shooting ships in any non newb sec of space is not toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/498 "2022-09-13T23:55:20Z")
Every region has starter systems. Those are already no combat zones. If you fear being attacked, stay there. Whehever you want el riches, you will need to do los riskies, in pretty much every game out there. There is nothing to change but yourself. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/500 "2022-09-14T00:14:25Z")
That is far from reason for such. See EVE’s history. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/501 "2022-09-14T00:25:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why would I bother dropping anything? 🤣 Ah so we can safely ignore what you said. Thankee 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > because data like that will be driving decisions by CCP What data again bruv? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > it benefits me if you stay ignorant as there’s a far lower chance of you making an argument they’ll take seriously. 🤡 Uh bruv? You didn’t list any data to convince them either 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Enjoy the ever dropping player numbers I guess then. What’s funny is thinking EVE exists in a vacuum ROFL. Imagine not having enough knowledge of the gaming industry to think ganking is the reason for declining sub numbers ROFL. Also shooting ships in any non newb sec of space is not toxic 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=19)