# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/503 "2022-09-14T00:33:33Z")
Well I know you’re choosing not to cause you can’t beat them 😃 Also shooting ships in any non newb sec of space is not toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/505 "2022-09-14T00:50:11Z")
LOL. Yennoe imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 😃 Thanks for giving up tho 😃 Also shooting ships in any non newb sec of space is not toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:25am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/506 "2022-09-14T01:25:23Z")
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**Author:** ![Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/daopa_mission_master/32/334349_2.png) [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Daopa_Mission_Master)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/507 "2022-09-14T02:12:07Z")
WHAT DO WE WANT? SAFE HIGH SECURITY SPACE WITH NO PVP!! WHEN DO WE WANT IT? RIGHT NOW!!! CCP LISTEN TO THE REAL PLAYER BASE OR RETURN GAME BACK TO 2007 FOR FAIRNESS. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:13am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/508 "2022-09-14T02:13:56Z")
I’m pretty sure, that high sec wasn’t a safe space in 2007. But if you want the 2007 mechanics reinstated, then CCP should remove the safties just like 2007. Very interesting times those days were. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/509 "2022-09-14T02:18:22Z")
Yennoe, could you just like, try harder please ☹ Like its no fun when your this bad at it ☹ ---
**Author:** ![ResonanceOfWar](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/resonanceofwar/32/408654_2.png) [@ResonanceOfWar](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ResonanceOfWar)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 9:14am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/510 "2022-09-14T09:14:01Z")
Oof 300 snow flake messages later, not reading through all that. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > I’m pretty sure, that high sec wasn’t a safe space in 2007. But if you want the 2007 mechanics reinstated, then CCP should remove the safties just like 2007. > > Very interesting times those days were. Agreed there was no safety even I accidentally pressed my smart bomb once and got concordikened. > [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > WHAT DO WE WANT? SAFE HIGH SECURITY SPACE WITH NO PVP!! > WHEN DO WE WANT IT? RIGHT NOW!!! > > CCP LISTEN TO THE REAL PLAYER BASE OR RETURN GAME BACK TO 2007 FOR FAIRNESS. All I see from this is make 1.0 system safe where you can farm 5mil isk an hour with perma green safeties and 0.9 to 0.5 becomes part of low sec. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/511 "2022-09-14T12:22:53Z")
> [@Daopa\_Mission\_Master](#): > > WHAT DO WE WANT? SAFE HIGH SECURITY SPACE WITH NO PVP!! > WHEN DO WE WANT IT? RIGHT NOW!!! > > CCP LISTEN TO THE REAL PLAYER BASE OR RETURN GAME BACK TO 2007 FOR FAIRNESS. I am not sure if this is sarcasm, or serious, but the thing is, if CCP started eroding the non consensual pvp in EvE, I would leave in a heart beat. EvE is one of, if not the last old school mmo with a foundation of non consensual pvp left. I am pretty sure that is the reason EvE has survived for so long. If that is eroded I predict that EvE will not last long. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/512 "2022-09-14T12:46:06Z")
> [@ResonanceOfWar](#): > > All I see from this is make 1.0 system safe where you can farm 5mil isk an hour with perma green safeties and 0.9 to 0.5 becomes part of low sec. This, right here! Make 0.9 to 0.5 part of low! ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/513 "2022-09-14T13:18:40Z")
This is something we can all get behind. Deal. No ganks or pvp in 1.0 systems. Everything else now has low sec rules. How about that Lucas? People can safely farm to their hearts content in the new high sec. And everyone can shut up about ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 1:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/515 "2022-09-14T13:33:16Z")
We did it!! 1300 posts later we have consensus! I like it. Handshakes all around. They can make all the starter systems 1.0 if they aren’t already, all other 1.0 systems stay in perfect safety, everything .5 - .9 is now low. New players can farm all day long in their systems until they feel comfortable to bootstrap themselves back from their scary voyage to low. And no one ever makes a ganking thread again. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/516 "2022-09-14T14:28:56Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I am not sure if this is sarcasm, or serious, but the thing is, if CCP started eroding the non consensual pvp in EvE, I would leave in a heart beat. Me too. The very _essence_ of Eve is that anyone can be attacked anywhere. There is no safe place outside of dock. That is core to Eve, and if that is changed then it is no longer Eve and might as well just be renamed Carebear Mining In Space. People who grasp this are by far the largest component of Eve players and outnumber the whiny carebears by a large margin. Take note…CCP. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/517 "2022-09-14T14:38:32Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > We did it!! 1300 posts later we have consensus! I like it. Handshakes all around. They can make all the starter systems 1.0 if they aren’t already, all other 1.0 systems stay in perfect safety, everything .5 - .9 is now low. New players can farm all day long in their systems until they feel comfortable to bootstrap themselves back from their scary voyage to low. And no one ever makes a ganking thread again. No…its a bad idea. Rather than alter the entire rest of highsec for the noobs, why not just have a message on leaving the starter system similar to that which one gets on first entry to lowsec ? Noobs would _have_ to stick to the 1.0 starter systems for 30 days, or they could voluntarily shorten that and leave…but with that warning. SO much simpler to implement ! ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/519 "2022-09-14T14:53:29Z")
Make all space High Sec then we can say if we want ganking removed as all combat will be ganking. No one happy, just as it should be. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 2:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/520 "2022-09-14T14:55:17Z")
Its a silly plan that really hasn’t been thought out. Least of all the utterly crazy notion that its going to make noobs any better off or more likely to stay. All that will happen is that the former highsec gankers will gate camp all the gates to your ‘new’ lowsec…and there will by definition be less such gates as they’d all be entries to the noob 1.0 systems. You wont have made things better…you’ll have made things 100 times worse for the noobs once they get past 30 days and leave 1.0. Utterly stupid idea. It makes far more sense to protect people _by age_ than to amend 1000 systems on behalf of a handful of noobs. And would be easier to implement ! But then the impression I get is that you don’t really care about noobs at all…and they are just a convenient tool for your own _personal_ dislike of ganking. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 4:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/522 "2022-09-14T16:09:31Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > even though you’ve repeatedly claimed that everyone is here for combat that’s simply not true. The thing that is untrue is that you can separate combat from everything else…the notion that one can have people who mine or haul totally free from the consequences of the end product of the very stuff they mine or haul. The chain of supply is a _valid_ war target even in real wars. Thus you cannot mine ore that gets turned into Catalysts and then whine if one of those Catalysts bites you in the ass ! To create areas where people can simply ‘mine’…free of all consequence…is to create an isolated sub-game disconnected from the the harsh reality that is supposed to be Eve. As for expanding lowsec…if the goal is to protect noobs then there really isn’t a sillier idea. You would actually be reducing the area within which they have _some_ degree of protection. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 5:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/524 "2022-09-14T17:53:44Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Why not? I trade all day and unless you can blow up an NPC station there’s absolutely zero consequences for me. The fact that there’s zero consequences for you is all the more reason any plan by you should not be implemented ! > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I think it’d kill off the game as noobs abandon it The only person killing anything off is you. Sitting there with ‘zero consequence’ and trying to dictate the game for others. Gankers don’t make me feel like leaving Eve…people like you do. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 5:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/525 "2022-09-14T17:55:58Z")
There’s like a thousand MMOs out there, the grand majority of which don’t even _have_ PvP, and most of them are losing players. New World was originally supposed to be an EVE-like game, got focus-tested, and all traces of non-consensual PvP were scrubbed from it. It came out, lost 90% of its initial player base within a month, and is now slowly leaking the remainder. Non-consensual PvP doesn’t drive players away from games; a lack of compelling and fulfilling gameplay does. What we need isn’t a safe area for players, but a new forum rule that treats proposing ideas/making demands for game changes in the name of growing the player base/raising the company’s revenue in the same manner as all other forum offenses. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 6:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/527 "2022-09-14T18:14:47Z")
> [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](#): > > They can make all the starter systems 1.0 if they aren’t already, all other 1.0 systems stay in perfect safety, everything .5 - .9 is now low. I actually don’t agree. What they should do is nerf high sec’s profitability and increase low’s profitability. Like you can make ISK in high sec, but you want players to naturally filter out to low/null. High sec can be a place to recover and make back ISK, but risk should match reward. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > lowsec has actual combat PvP, where both sides are actually engaged in the fight. Oh, both sides are engaged in the fight during ganking 😃 When most gank targets don’t fit a tank well, they’ve ganked themselves bruv 😃 > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > New World was originally supposed to be an EVE-like game, got focus-tested, and all traces of non-consensual PvP were scrubbed from it. It came out, lost 90% of its initial player base within a month, and is now slowly leaking the remainder. Non-consensual PvP doesn’t drive players away from games; a lack of compelling and fulfilling gameplay does. True. Its slow coming back now. But man, if you think EVE is bad, their territory control system over there lead to rampant player RMT LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Quite honestly, the game would be better off without you. You sit on the forum lobbing insults at anyone who holds an opinion you do not share. That’s not the type of behaviour that builds good communities. If you can’t have a difference of opinion without flying off the handle you shouldn’t really be here. LOL, projecting again. And Cilly is actually literally the noob you want protected. Someone who has been through the gauntlet and come out the other side an EVE citizen. Still, it doesn’t surprise me you’d take this tack. You don’t really like the noobs 😃 And uh, brosef? You definitely don’t build community ROFL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Sure, because there are too many MMOs. All I picture is you shaking your cane at things LOL. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 6:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/528 "2022-09-14T18:35:53Z")
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