# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/529 "2022-09-14T18:46:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Quite honestly, the game would be better off without you. That feels pretty toxic Lucas. Are you griefing folks off of the forums? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/532 "2022-09-14T19:00:06Z")
ROFL. You’re so silly sometimes man. Like do you honestly expect us to believe you? Whose you guys? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/533 "2022-09-14T19:04:42Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Non-consensual PvP doesn’t drive players away from games; a lack of compelling and fulfilling gameplay does. i think is a niche thing MMO is a niche full PVP is a smaller niche but IMO EVE lasted for so much time because is one of the best full PVP games ever and this is one of the main selling points of the game take that off and EVE lose his identity , become just yet another game and eventually die ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/535 "2022-09-14T19:12:38Z")
ok but if you remove HS pvp and turn HS in farmland all the other cards go down for example the freighter . you can put A LOT of isk in it with no HS pvp , you could auto pilot that thing boom there goes the market ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/536 "2022-09-14T19:12:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Noone is suggesting PvP be removed, just one single form of PvP. Stop being overly dramatic. This here shows your lack of experience in the MMO genre 😃 ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/538 "2022-09-14T19:16:40Z")
na na na the time and risk to bring stuff from one place to another is the single reason the markets have different prices with no HS PVP you could just put a single market screen and forget about all the rest ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/539 "2022-09-14T19:18:11Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So what? It’s not like moving things isn’t trivial anyway, it’s just a time sink. Ah so ganking isn’t a problem. Thankee 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The market would barely be affected because logistics is a tiny, inconsequential part of trading. ROFL. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/541 "2022-09-14T19:21:59Z")
imagine real life people think there is a lack of water in the world in a planet that is mostly water what is lacking is a economic viable way to bring clean water to certain places if someone discover a auto piloting freighter that you can put A LOT of water and bring from a place to another for 0 dollars boom no water problem ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/543 "2022-09-14T19:25:53Z")
not just transporting but the energy to do desalination for example if all that cost 0 dollars there is no problem same for oil oil is not magic , you can burn french fries oil or waterer but oil is abundant and cheap , coal to the problem is finding economic viable alternatives ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/544 "2022-09-14T19:26:24Z")
lucas doesn’t seem to understand economics ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/545 "2022-09-14T19:26:46Z")
I don’t think I’ve observed any other person on the forums use the “you have no idea what you are talking about” line more than this guy. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/546 "2022-09-14T19:28:00Z")
I wonder where Lucas thinks fresh water comes from? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/548 "2022-09-14T19:34:00Z")
why you think middle east have oil and Russia have gas? because is easy to put a hole in the sand and extract oil or a hole in the ice and extract gas here in Brasil we found a GIGANTIC deposit of oil deep down the ocean, not so easy so the problem is the dollars , how much it cost if the cost is 0 the world is not the same insta ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/550 "2022-09-14T19:36:50Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > transporting it would be no issue. I guess Lucas never worked for any kind of freight distribution, shipping, or logistics company irl. Imagine being so naive as to think transportation is not an issue! The guy is an absolute Dunning-Kruger, thinks he is so smart and never notices what he doesn’t understand. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/551 "2022-09-14T19:37:33Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > 🤣 🤣 It’s not _how much it costs to transport_ though. ok but i was just making a analogy and all could be made simple by ENERGY / DOLAR if there is a infinite amount of ore in amarr and there is no risk(or cost) to extract it and bring it to jita the market is ■■■■■■ ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/552 "2022-09-14T19:42:34Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not for veterans hauling, no. I’ve repeatedly stated this. So you admit ganking isn’t a problem, rather it is noob education. Got it 😃 You realize you’ve basically shot yourself in the foot right bruv? > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > the problem is finding economic viable alternatives You’re absolutely right. He knows it too. Expect some major gas lighting about to be thrown your way 😃 > [@tutucox\_Khamsi](#): > > if there is a infinite amount of ore in amarr and there is no risk(or cost) to extract it and bring it to jita the market is ■■■■■■ Yep. And that’s why Altara’s point on the haulers stands as well 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/553 "2022-09-14T19:43:04Z")
It sounds like Lucas struggles to get his freighters through Uedama. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/555 "2022-09-14T19:45:30Z")
all that said i still think I’m right in that ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 8:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/556 "2022-09-14T20:00:57Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m going to call it out as nonsense Yes, you’re a real expert in the field who’s wisely able to make those judgement calls. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/557 "2022-09-14T20:19:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, you’ve just misread. It’s OK though, you’re not really adding anything to the discussion anyway. Not really LOL. Its ok bro, you aren’t fooling anyone 😃 > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > Yes, you’re a real expert in the field who’s wisely able to make those judgement calls. I mean he believes ganking is a huge problem, yet somehow he can easily avoid it 😃 How big of a problem can it be? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=19) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=21)