# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 26
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 2:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/676 "2022-09-24T02:26:43Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > and many people, gankers and non gankers alike enjoy, > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Not true. Lucas, sometime you are so absurd you sound like a troll. I am mostly a hauler and industrial player, but I love and enjoy that there is ganking in the game. There are absolutely many non ganking people who are happy that ganking is in the game, along with the gankers themselves. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So your plan is to make it so new bros know about ganking so they avoid being ganked, so ganking is still functionally removed from the game, but without moving it. And somehow you’re going to force this learning on players who already leave the game because it’s dull. Seems like a futile endeavour but by all means, educate away. Yes, that is exactly my plan. This gives new bros the excitement of avoiding the gank if they mine or haul. It also gives them the possibility of anit ganking, if they want to cut their teeth on it, and it gives them the opportunity top become gankers if they wish. Opening so much more interesting competition and making everyone happy, without removing an aspect of EvE that has been here for well over a decade, that many enjoy. You talk about players leaving the game because it is dull, but your ideas reinforce this dullness and makes it worse. You constantly contradict your self with opposing goals. This is why I am convinced that if you do actually play, you only want to remove ganking because you are a rich, fat, lazy player who wants to move goods in poorly fit ships on auto pilot. Come off it, you are not for the new bro, because your proposals don’t help the new bro or the game. You are a lazy vet, and that is why your proposal only helps the lazy veterans. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 2:36am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/677 "2022-09-24T02:36:04Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > that makes you upset and suddenly there’s a double standard. As gankers would say, your feelings aren’t my responsibility. That’s how it works, right? Where did you get that from? He made a request. How exactly does that make him “upset?” Are you “projecting?” ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/678 "2022-09-24T07:08:56Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > You talk about players leaving the game because it is dull, but your ideas reinforce this dullness and makes it worse. You constantly contradict your self with opposing goals. This is why I am convinced that if you do actually play, you only want to remove ganking because you are a rich, fat, lazy player who wants to move goods in poorly fit ships on auto pilot. Come off it, you are not for the new bro, because your proposals don’t help the new bro or the game. You are a lazy vet, and that is why your proposal only helps the lazy veterans. Chip truth. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Are you “projecting?” He projects more than a cathode ray tube 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/679 "2022-09-24T08:57:47Z")
At some point we as a community just have to agree to collectively ignore those who wish to constantly derail thread topics to push agendas. Its been several weeks now of the forums getting hijacked/DoS’d/spammed. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 9:08am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/680 "2022-09-24T09:08:51Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > At some point we as a community just have to agree to collectively ignore those who wish to constantly derail thread topics to push agendas We should refuse to discuss ganking in any form. ISD should delete any post referring to ganking and close gank threads by saying “This topic has long been resolved and will not be discussed in this forum” and ban the member who discusses ganking after being warned twice. Ganking is part of the game, there is no error or oversight on CCP’s part and it’s working as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/682 "2022-09-24T10:00:45Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > So because people dare to disagree with you, you think the ISD should ban us for holding the view you dislike You? No. You should be banned for being such miserable liar. I was referring to other than you but of course seeing how you love drama you have to make everything about you like a 5yo. ---
**Author:** ![Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bob_mo_rane/32/333433_2.png) [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bob_Mo_rane)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:20am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/684 "2022-09-24T10:20:21Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I haven’t lied You are lying _now_ saying you didn’t lie because it’s been quite thoroughly exposed and your credibility is at -10 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Whether you’re referring to me or not is irrelevant To me it is because you’re proven delusional but the others may not be. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/685 "2022-09-24T10:41:35Z")
> [@Bob\_Mo\_rane](#): > > We should refuse to discuss ganking in any form. > ISD should delete any post referring to ganking and close gank threads by saying “This topic has long been resolved and will not be discussed in this forum” and ban the member who discusses ganking after being warned twice. > Ganking is part of the game, there is no error or oversight on CCP’s part and it’s working as intended. I dunno about that. I mean I’d be down for a collective forum ignore of Grampy Kells 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re a gank alt. Simply ROFLcopter. I guess everyone is a gank alt huh? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Anti ganking is not a viable playstyle. Read the guide 😃 Yennoe, the one I actually posted. Cause yennoe. When you say you got a guide… > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > The vast majority of veterans already easily avoid ganks, so removing ganking doesn’t help them a whole lot, and hauling is already ludicrously cheap. So you agree ganking shouldn’t be removed. I simply love when you contradict yourself 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Its a bad part of the game that is damaging retention and CCP has stated they intend to reduce it. It’s perfectly reasonable for players to hold views on it. Griefing. Not ganking 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/687 "2022-09-24T10:46:00Z")
This is taking on Monty Python-esque proportions … [![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/1/b/1b86bd0d2b924fcf9c130553112e83910ba24e8e.jpeg "Argument") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpAvcGcEc0k) ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 12:22pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/688 "2022-09-24T12:22:12Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. What you’re getting confused by is that someone on here decided to call me a liar - with absolutely no basis for the claim - and a few of their minions repeated it. My guy, you’ve been caught in so many lies and untruths its hard to keep track 😃 Not to mention, you’ve proven yourself an actual griefer 😃 ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/689 "2022-09-24T18:01:33Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I haven’t lied. You just hold a fluid definition of the facts where you can say smack talk is griefing and griefers should be banned in one post, and then claim you never said that, people just do not understand you in another one. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/690 "2022-09-24T18:05:34Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > I am mostly a hauler and industrial player > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > You’re a gank alt. And that’s a lie form you there Lucas. For someone who does not lie, you sure do it quite often. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/692 "2022-09-24T18:24:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Griefers should be banned. I’m only asking for equal treatment under the law. ---
**Author:** ![Ultra\_Shakira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ultra_shakira/32/333170_2.png) [@Ultra\_Shakira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ultra_Shakira)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/693 "2022-09-24T18:50:59Z")
I’m with you on this 100%. It is clear to me that Lucas does not want to accept the fundamental nature of the game. The game has always been about risk versus reward and there is always risk, and it’s the players that make it interesting and dangerous. ![3ad](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/b/f/cbf99f894159b76476edb5e8272256c728defff6.jpeg) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 7:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/694 "2022-09-24T19:31:09Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yawn. This is not Fortnite. “Always on PvP” does not mean that every single part of the game has to be susceptible to combat PvP, because PvP doesn’t just mean “combat”. It’s utterly dishonest and tiresome the way you try to bring everything down to what words ‘mean’. Eve is the way Eve is…regardless of your extremely silly semantics. Eve has _always_ been a ‘PvP Everywhere’ game. It is the very essence of Eve ! If you don’t like that, then go play some other game rather than being an endless _bore_ in this one ! ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/697 "2022-09-24T20:47:00Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, I just disagree with many gankers on what the fundamental nature of the game is. Many of them come from a 2010-2012 cohort where people seem to have got their weird idea in their head that the game is built purely around combat and everything must include combat. It’s not. I come from the 06 cohort 😃 And the game’s premise is, and always has been, an open world PvP game where you consent to PvP as soon as you undock. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > But that risk doesn’t always mean PvP combat, and that’s certainly not the type of risk new players in highsec were historically exposed to. Yea it is 😃 ROFL, battle badgers used to rule Hailama bro. I am now seriously doubting if you ever really played much at all LOL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Again, that’s simply not true. That’s what you are saying after you’ve been here what, a year? And it’s based on things people who joined in the last decade are telling you. It’s simply not the reality. Combat PvP has always been part of the game but it’s not something that’s deigned by principle to always be available everywhere. Course it has 😃 Hell, war decs alone used to make high sec burn regularly. It taught newbs what being station camped was 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Alternatively you Fortnite players can go back to Fortnite where you can roll around in your P2W microtransactions and griefplay all day long. Yennoe what’s funny? When you expose your utter lack of knowledge to this thing you supposedly hate LOL. Fortnite isn’t P2W ROFL. You literally can only buy cosmetics. I mean one could argue of course that looking cool as you blap people is all that matters. Also um, you can’t really grief people in Fortnite. Hell, you can’t even really talk to others cept thru emotes and such. Fortnite is a BR yennoe. It doesn’t have the depth EVE has 😃 What I also find absolutely is proof you are a boomer as well, is that your obsession that anyone younger than you must also play Fortnite 😃 Also even more boomer proof, cause most peeps ain’t really playing Fortnite no more bruv, its Valorant 😃 I mean I guess in like 10 years time when you finally catch up and you’ll understand what people mean when they say bark for heals amirite? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 8:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/699 "2022-09-24T20:53:56Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > OK newbie. LOL > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Strange, that’s not written anywhere on my box. Bro. Overshare bro. Complete overshare 😃 ---
**Author:** ![High\_Priestess\_Seana](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/high_priestess_seana/32/509548_2.png) [@High\_Priestess\_Seana](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/High_Priestess_Seana)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 9:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/700 "2022-09-24T21:17:30Z")
high-sec care-bear here that loves all things Amarr and lasers. I am not against people shooting people in high sec, I just think it should cost the shooter more then the shootie. AKA real LAW and ORDER…aka if you really want to shoot Joey McBoatFace… At least have a reason better then _I want to ruin this noobs day and make sure he quits the game forever_… to say say this reason “this guy is delivering supplies to our enemies…we should shot him in high sec and take the hit” be it isk, spacecops chase you, etc… I don’t care, but gankers in high sec shouldn’t be about profit with basically 0 downsides, it should be more tactical in nature(bounties fall in this) and if your truly a vile criminal you should be treated as such and excluded from high sec stations. currently they get chased by concord…but that doesn’t stop them from docking. - Security status of -2.0 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 1.0 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK - Security status of -2.5 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 0.9 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK - Security status of -3.0 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 0.8 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK - Security status of -3.5 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 0.7 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK - Security status of -4.0 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 0.6 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK - Security status of -4.5 or below means you’ll be attacked in █ 0.5 systems. AND CAN"T DOCK to make this a more interesting choice add pirate faction stations that can’t be docked by High Standing citizens in low/null sec … hell maybe even add more ships to the pirate factions and make them a character creator choice (aka starting out as a Sansha Pirate with a Sansha corvette with -3 standing (aka your high sec from NPC’s mind set is your pirate space, but still not safe from players. but you do have some access to high sec if for some reason you want to go that direction.) one way of thinking easier access to pirate ships at the cost of high sec access. maybe the Pirate JITA could form then 😃 (although I imagine people would be trying to kill more then mine) ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/701 "2022-09-24T22:26:14Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope, didn’t say that. Lucas, we both know that you did, and then tried to walk it back one you realized the implications of what you said. Seriously, everyone in this discussion saw you do. I quoted you saying it repeatedly in the other thread. You only make yourself sound childish when you try to walk back something that everyone saw you do. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Ever heard of the duck test? Can you quote me anywhere giving any specific evidence that T Elliot is the alt of a suicide ganker? Everyone who reads these threads knows you just assume that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow just a dirty griefer so they don’t count. You really need to sit down and take stock of what you say man. Why do you think you get the reaction here that you do? For the record I have never once suicide ganked, or tried to suicide gank anyone. I have watched MacGybo’s videos on the subject, and I don’t think I have the patience to do it. I have been out doing things when Aiko’s crew flew in to system, and to me it seems so easy to avoid them, I don’t have the patience to do what they do either. I respect the skill the players like MaGybo or Aiko have because I don’t think I could do what they do. Admit it to yourself Lucas, not everyone agrees with you. That does not mean that they are suicide gankers. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/702 "2022-09-24T22:42:50Z")
Dracvlad divides the opposition into suicide gankers and supporters of suicide gankers/ganking. This extreme narrowing of the field of vision tends to polarise the debate and sometimes stifles flexibility and fluidity in the discussions, although I did notice that he had grown more objective in his outlook of late. Of course, Dracvlad would probably claim the same for the pro-ganking side. He isn’t here, so I’ll leave that there. For me, if I have responded directly to someone in the sub-forum on a particular point, and/or they have responded there or elsewhere, I don’t see any reason to repeat the exercise, except for the purposes of clarification/explanation, or if a further issue comes to light. I didn’t used to be like that; I was all over the sub-forums at one time. It becomes tiresome. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=25) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=27)