# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/703 "2022-09-24T22:49:43Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Everyone who reads these threads knows you just assume that everyone who disagrees with you is somehow just a dirty griefer so they don’t count. The only griefer here is him 😃 > [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](#): > > Dracvlad divides the opposition into suicide gankers and supporters of suicide gankers/ganking. This extreme narrowing of the field of vision tends to polarise the debate and sometimes stifles flexibility and fluidity in the discussions, although I did notice that he had grown more objective in his outlook of late. Heh. I see what you did there. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 10:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/704 "2022-09-24T22:53:10Z")
> [@High\_Priestess\_Seana](#): > > I don’t care, but gankers in high sec shouldn’t be about profit Then don’t give them profit. Gankers don’t profit off ISK faucets. They profit because other players make it profitable to be ganked. Anyone can make a choice to not be profitable to gank and the issue you have with it would go away. > [@High\_Priestess\_Seana](#): > > AND CAN"T DOCK So what? Firstly, this is easily worked around. It only takes an Orca to make that an irrelevant change. Secondly, when all characters are created their home system is in highsec. If they never move it, where would their clone go if they get podded? - to a station, effectively allowing them to be docked; and if they move their clone to a central location before being on the “you can’t dock list”, then they still dock and the only impact is they’d need to make a few jumps in a pod to get back to their staging Orca for the next gank. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 11:03pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/705 "2022-09-24T23:03:34Z")
> [@High\_Priestess\_Seana](#): > > I don’t care, but gankers in high sec shouldn’t be about profit with basically 0 downsides Why not? Is the ganker’s fault peeps don’t even do basic opsec to keep themselves alive? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2022, 11:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/706 "2022-09-24T23:43:43Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Combat PvP has always been part of the game but it’s not something that’s deigned by principle to always be available everywhere. Yes it is. The game is _designed_ so that you can be shot at anywhere. It’s not a debating or arguing matter. That is how it actually **is**. ---
**Author:** ![Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/pozdro_tubylcy/32/265318_2.png) [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Pozdro_Tubylcy)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/707 "2022-09-25T00:26:34Z")
gra została zaprojektowana przez sadystycznego skurwysyna, a wy mu wszyscy klaszczecie… zal mi was smiecie! ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:34am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/708 "2022-09-25T00:34:30Z")
Tough words. Why are you here (which also means you are one of the rubbish that you are talking about)? ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/709 "2022-09-25T00:38:33Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > gra została zaprojektowana przez sadystycznego skurwysyna, a wy mu wszyscy klaszczecie… zal mi was smiecie! Ma’am, this is America. Please speak English. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:01am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/710 "2022-09-25T01:01:41Z")
to jest Islandia. Proszę mówić po islandzku ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:02am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/711 "2022-09-25T01:02:05Z")
Ganking… we’ve been through this before… many times. We did not come to an agreement but most understood some facts. I wouldn’t go as far as to ban the topic, but I recommend (again) to stop questioning it. We have provided enough evidence that ganking is fundamental, encouraged and protected in EVE. I recommend also, for those planning to argue this again, to dive the forums for answers. They are all there. I also encourage an apology. Those comments were stupid and quite insulting. You can always blame it on being drunk or angry. We will accept it anyway. Oh, and do not do this again. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:33am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/712 "2022-09-25T01:33:25Z")
> [@Xucca](#): > > I wouldn’t go as far as to ban the topic I think this would actually be a very interesting social experiment. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 2:48am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/713 "2022-09-25T02:48:34Z")
> [@High\_Priestess\_Seana](#): > > AND CAN"T DOCK Or tether. +1 ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/715 "2022-09-25T07:49:34Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. Ye realize, when you say this, we giggle 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:50am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/716 "2022-09-25T08:50:29Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > > > Combat PvP has always been part of the game but it’s not something that’s deigned by principle to always be available everywhere. > > Yes it is. The game is _designed_ so that you can be shot at anywhere. It’s not a debating or arguing matter. That is how it actually **is**. > **[EVE: The Second Genesis Interview - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2003/02/26/eve-the-second-genesis-interview)** > > Iceland, the land of the hidden people. Also the land of the hidden game developers. There might not be many game developers in Iceland -- one to be precise: CCP -- but they certainly have some lofty ambitions. > > With a team of about 35 people, CCP is... ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/1/7/2/172fd991deb06baa49842841ec31e62a3bedc803.png) > **[Interview: Evolution and Risk: CCP on the Freedoms of EVE Online](https://www.gamedeveloper.com/business/interview-evolution-and-risk-ccp-on-the-freedoms-of-eve-online)** > > Gamasutra has a chat with EVE Online Senior Producer Nathan Richardsson to discuss the relative success of this open-ended and sometimes ruthless MMOG wh ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/a/6/ba62fa8523f3b692d3ee802fb2ac8a21ff11679e.png) ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/c/8/c/c8c8dfed3eaac7d1ec22deafe82bb9f2315c4839.png) > **[EVE Online Update Interview - IGN](https://www.ign.com/articles/2006/08/26/eve-online-update-interview)** > > EVE Online Update Interview > We question CCP to learn about the current status of its popular persistent state universe and what lies ahead > The status of CCP's popular persistent state universe ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/b/4/2/b420f6d446b4bfe35a079d0fd68f05d8fe54c36a.png) ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 9:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/717 "2022-09-25T09:43:36Z")
Me and Lucas and the other anti-all-PvP-in-highsec-crew ain’t reading all that. Like Lucas and I agreed earlier, it’s best when we just ignore certain data or make up reasons it doesn’t apply. I’m sure it supports our case. We of the anti-ganking-in-highsec-crew (wardecs and duels are OK) were handed a playbook of responses on Reddit, but I’m not sure which one to use in this instance, so I’m just going to list them all: - “Nope” - “This data is too old, the gaming market has changed; or it’s not old, but it’s not a reflection of the gaming market; or it is a reflection of the gaming market, but not the right gaming market; or it’s the right gaming market, but the data is wrong and the truth is something else.” - “That was old CCP employees, they don’t matter now; or it’s current CCP employees, but the wrong ones that don’t matter; or it’s the ones that matter, but they don’t matter enough; or it’s the right ones, they just misspoke and really meant something else.” - “The data is incomplete; or the data is not from CCP; or it was from CCP but they contradicted themselves and it’s _the other thing_ that matters; or they didn’t contradict themselves but it doesn’t matter, the truth is something else” - “Ad homonym! [@ISD](https://forums.eveonline.com/groups/isd)” - “Cherrypicking; or if it wasn’t cherrypicking it came from someone we don’t like; or if it came from someone we do like we now don’t like them; or if we have to keep liking them we will put them in the ‘do not like’ category anyway and declare them an enemy, because the truth is something else” - “Ignore what someone said and make up what they really meant; if someone accuses us of not actually comprehending what was said, repeat the action; if they still accuse us of the same then repeat until they are exhausted and they look stupid.” Take that, ganker scum! 😠 ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 9:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/718 "2022-09-25T09:49:40Z")
> [@Io\_Koval](#): > > wardecs…are OK You sure? Because I remember before this whole ganking thing blew up because it was pretty much the sole remaining vector for non-consensual PvP that wars were most definitely _not_ OK according to you and the rest of the anti-all-PvP-in-highsec-crew. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:00am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/719 "2022-09-25T10:00:47Z")
DC with the receipts 😃 Unlocked a memory too. I had forgotten I’d read that article and that’s what drew me to EVE too when I found the devs had played UO and actively PKed/PvPed. Good times. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 11:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/720 "2022-09-25T11:22:17Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Admit it to yourself Lucas, not everyone agrees with you. That does not mean that they are suicide gankers. 😛 That’s another duck test. 🤣 I prefer the Marx Brothers’ version: “He may look like an idiot and talk like an idiot, but don’t let that fool you. He really is an idiot.” Anyone is of course free to apply it whenever they deem it appropriate. Lucas uses that version quite regularly too. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. ![JampackedCoordinatedBrocketdeer-max-1mb](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/0/c/e/0ce715ddc2b9b2c1670cfd679a746a5322db3fca.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 12:59pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/721 "2022-09-25T12:59:19Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > according to you Nope, I never said that. And don’t quote me on it either. > [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > thing blew up You pro-ganker shill alts and obsession with “things blowing up”. Why can’t you have a rational discourse like the rest of us civilized real-life-lawful people, all you do is personally target me for having unbelievable ideas. We only discuss using the correct dictionary terms to propose our anti-newbie-ganking (other ganking is OK) ideas. Because we want to make Eve Online the most game ever, and y’all just want to kill it off. Though that won’t stop us from dancing on its grave in celebration – because finally no more PVP in high sec! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/722 "2022-09-25T13:09:51Z")
You pretty much nailed it with that post, and Destiny with the previous one. Is there some way to permanently bookmark these…as all that will happen is they’ll slip off the page after 500 lines of spam and we’ll be right back to square one and struggling to find those excellent posts that spare us having to re-hash things all over again in some endless Groundhog Day of posting. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:17pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/723 "2022-09-25T13:17:07Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > some endless Groundhog Day of posting. What’s funny is he thinks he wins when he does that. In reality, we’re his only reason for existing 😃 [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=26) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=28)