# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 1:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/724 "2022-09-25T13:55:53Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Is there some way to permanently bookmark these Click the … symbol at the bottom of post to place a Forum bookmark. Or create an EVE Forum Posts folder in your browser and bookmark there. Searching for it later can be a pain. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/725 "2022-09-25T16:29:54Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Yes it is. The game is _designed_ so that you can be shot at anywhere. It’s not a debating or arguing matter. That is how it actually **is**. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. Now I understand the misunderstanding between us Lucas. You aren’t talking about EvE when you make these crazy statements. What game are you talking about? ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 4:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/726 "2022-09-25T16:47:21Z")
> [@Pozdro\_Tubylcy](#): > > gra została zaprojektowana przez sadystycznego skurwysyna, a wy mu wszyscy klaszczecie… zal mi was smiecie! Gra jest najlepszą opcją. Są różne, jeśli ci się to nie podoba. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 5:07pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/728 "2022-09-25T17:07:25Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yep, talking about EVE. I think the fundamental problem is that you’re a moron. Makes any rational debate with you basically impossible. Lol poor little guy, you know your statements are directly contradicted by the interview with CCP that Destiny Corrupted posted. You are not fooling or confusing anyone who is actually reading this thread with your fud. As for your weak ad hom, well its just weak man. I am embarrassed for you again Lucas. Really if there is direct evidence of a thing, just saying > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. is not a strong counter argument without at least some counter evidence to back it up. It is embarrassing. ---
**Author:** ![Galaxy\_Pig](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/galaxy_pig/32/374625_2.png) [@Galaxy\_Pig](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Galaxy_Pig)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/730 "2022-09-25T18:00:06Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Based on the original design the systems that weren’t “Open PvP” are concord protected systems, and that’s highsec. Yet another moment when i honestly can’t tell if he really believes it or if he’s like ~some master-level propagandist with nefarious 5-D chess, mostly carebearish purposes~. Shrug. ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/732 "2022-09-25T18:11:31Z")
The full quote from that sentence though makes it clear: _Starting solar systems will be protected by police, but the majority of the systems will be open for combat between players._ Even then, when I first played in 2004 I was ganked in my starter system. PVP wasn’t prevented anywhere, but I guess by “open pvp” you are referring to systems that didn’t have a CONCORD response? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 6:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/734 "2022-09-25T18:31:32Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m just referring to what they said. When they say “the majority of the systems will be open for combat between players” it’s difficult to understand how people take that as “combat PvP will be available everywhere as a core principle”. Yeah that’s fair enough. Highsec certainly has strict rules around what is legal and what the consequences for engaging in pvp illegally are. So it isn’t “open for pvp”. PVP is possible, but not open in the same way that nullsec or wormholes are; and they are the majority of systems. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/735 "2022-09-25T19:06:18Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > is that you’re a moron. O.o Personal attacks and name calling. This post should be flagged. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 7:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/737 "2022-09-25T19:37:15Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m just referring to what they said. When they say “the majority of the systems will be open for combat between players” it’s difficult to understand how people take that as “combat PvP will be available everywhere as a core principle”. Except that people have been free to shoot each other in High Sec since the beginning of the game. Only shooting newbs in newbie zones have been considered a banable offense. The quotes make it clear that EvE is a PvP based game. But you can keep trying to put your spin on things. ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 8:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/738 "2022-09-25T20:32:49Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Yep, talking about EVE. I think the fundamental problem is that you’re a moron. Makes any rational debate with you basically impossible. Oh look. More personal insults 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. The interview quite literally state that only “the majority” of systems would be open PvP. Based on the original design the systems that weren’t “Open PvP” are concord protected systems, and that’s highsec. Right? And CONCORD does protect high sec. The gankers always die 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > And let’s be clear, “PvP” has always meant a lot more than just “combat PvP”. ROFL. You keep trying this tactic eh? The devs were UO players bruv. It means luring someone to a graveyard with the promise of helping him bash some skeles and then murdering him and taking his stuff 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s amusing that you whine about an ad hominem when you were the first one to start slinging them between the two of us. The moment I didn’t immediately bow down to your opinions the conversation turned from the topic to attacks on me. > > Now do us both a favour and go back to your inbreeding. Double oof. Someone is very emotional 😃 > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > I’m just referring to what they said. When they say “the majority of the systems will be open for combat between players” it’s difficult to understand how people take that as “combat PvP will be available everywhere as a core principle”. Wut. Heh. Do you even read what you post or? > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Whatever way you swing it though it was never a core principle to have veterans farming new players purely for amusement of watching them flip out, with zero profit potential. The game was inspired by elite, and the combat is based off of combat that helped you achieve goals within that context, not griefing for fun. Erm. My guy. The devs played UO 😃 Also, EVE promoted itself as fully allowing scams or do you not remember the IPO scams of the past? Sometimes I doubt you even played back then ROFL. > [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > It’s only been in the last decade that’s come about and it’s generally only people who started within that timeframe making the claim that profitless ganking is core to EVE. Yennoe, you realize most of the ganking done today is for profit? With some lulz thrown in? I mean, Aiko cleared over a bil in an hour’s time. That pays for a lot of lulz ganking when you’re just buying catas. I seen Cliff clear crazy numbers in only a few hours time too. Hawk makes money hand over fist, esp when he gets purple mods. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 9:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/739 "2022-09-25T21:30:17Z")
- The economy is no longer (if it ever was) “player-driven”. - IGNPC clearly stated that HS was to be protected by the Police. The “majority” that they’re referring to is LS and Null. * * * Nice try though. ---
**Author:** ![Ferdiad\_Silver](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ferdiad_silver/32/331325_2.png) [@Ferdiad\_Silver](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ferdiad_Silver)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/740 "2022-09-25T22:33:21Z")
Translated its a grossly bigoted slur typically thrown at the lesser abled. Which has somehow passed inspection by the moderators because I couldn’t flag it as breaking forum rules despite it being blatant bigotry. ---
**Author:** ![Ultra\_Shakira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ultra_shakira/32/333170_2.png) [@Ultra\_Shakira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ultra_Shakira)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/741 "2022-09-25T22:33:28Z")
Not quoting anyone specific, but judging my post from this toon is funny. Like that is really an indicator of game experience. I’m from the 2006 cohort, (pre warp to 0, boy that brought rage tears) But if you want to be judgy, 'cause I’m using a young alt, that’s a, - you- problem. I am certainly not saying “you have have only been in denial since what 2012? sit down your elders are talking.” ---
**Author:** ![Ultra\_Shakira](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ultra_shakira/32/333170_2.png) [@Ultra\_Shakira](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ultra_Shakira)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/742 "2022-09-25T22:36:17Z")
> [@Gix\_Firebrand](#): > > Sometimes I doubt you even played back then ROFL. But sure made a lot noise on the forums. ---
**Author:** ![Qia\_Kare](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/qia_kare/32/279281_2.png) [@Qia\_Kare](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Qia_Kare)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/743 "2022-09-25T22:54:09Z")
“The Special Bus” or, in the United States, “The Short Bus” refers to the smaller busses that people with disabilities often board. The implication being that anyone seen riding such a bus must also have a disability. I know you’re not a native English speaker, but I still can not tell if you know the meaning and are questioning the use of that meaning or if you are unfamiliar with the term and wanted to know what it meant and where it came from. My apologies if it turns out my post is an unhelpful waste of time for you to read. ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2022, 10:56pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/744 "2022-09-25T22:56:18Z")
I’m a new person (3 days in). That said, I’ve had friends in the game at various points dating all the way back to launch. I know more about New Eden’ history than a typical new arrival. I did research beyond the headlines and the big news articles about the Jita riots back in 2011. I was a DUST 514 player, which was a very tenuous connection to the reality of EVE, but it had its positive moments. I’ve so far been progressing very slowly as a casual player, not taking myself too seriously, and not rushing through the introductory content. I’ve completed 2 of the 5 career agent mission sequences, and plan to try out the SoE story arc once I’m done with the rest. Most of my playtime (but not quite all of it) has been not just in hisec space, but specifically in the introductory systems where griefing is more restricted. I’ve seen a handful of NPC pirates raiding asteroid fields and getting shot up by a few players who showed up with basic guns or drones to fend them off. I’ve seen one player try attacking another and get shut down by CONCORD, because the lowest sec rating I’ve been to was 0.6 and that’s not survivable if you pick fights without making it a formal duel. On which note, I’ve seen one of those happen, and it went predictably. The guy in his first actual T1 frigate with T1 guns and mods beat the human training dummy who accepted his challenge in a free corvette. I know that even where I am, there’s a risk of being shot and killed by other players - probably other people as new as I am, or close to it but built for combat, where most of my skills have gone toward becoming part of the game’s industry. I know that when I move to other parts of hisec space, I’ll be at more risk of being blown up. And I’m prepared for that, with plans to become more prepared for it as time goes on. I have several spare hulls in my hangar, and enough equipment to recreate _almost_ my full current ship loadout three times over (I’d have to buy two more copies of one module, and I have about 5000x the ISK it will cost to do so, just haven’t bothered to yet). After those run out, I have several more expensive loadouts which will let me mine more efficiently, when I’m at a point where it feels worthwhile to upgrade to them. I don’t merely expect to die, I have contingency plans in place for when I do. And I have plans in place to reduce my risk of death once I’ve died the first couple of times. Is attacking me, an inexperienced hisec miner, griefing? No. Are the hisec “PvPers” breaking the in-game laws? Yes, and they’re punshed for it in accordance with those same laws. No real-world laws are being broken, and nor are the game’s terms of use, which is where you’re crossing lines which can get you banned. And something people aren’t mentioning here is _insurance_ penalties. A new player with an uninsured ship gets a significant portion of their ship’s replacement cost refunded. The person who killed them, in hisec, dies to CONCORD, and isn’t eligible for insurance. They can - and probably _will_ - still make a profit if they handle the process in a manner that even vaguely resembles a proper approach to the attacking and killing of a player, but they’re going into the encounter with full knowledge that the ship they’re flying is being written off more completely than the one they’re killing with it. Is killing my cheap Venture going to be fun? If your answer is “yes” then go for it, if you succeed, that’s on me for not keeping myself safe enough. But as mentioned, I have a spare, and I’ve made more than enough profit to buy 100 more if I want. If I die back to back 100 times without getting to make any further profit… I’ll probably still have a couple of dozen more ships’ worth of insurance payouts, so I can probably keep doing this longer than the person trying to make me cry. I’ve had a fair bit of good luck in the game so far, and I’m in a position where I can afford to die, which is where most people _want_ to be in EVE. I have plans for the future, and I think they’re going to be very achievable. Maybe not very profitable, but that’s not the point. I want to enjoy my time in the game world, and I want to help others to do the same. If that means seeing my ships explode to a random gank that makes the other guy laugh, cool! If it means fighting back and killing them when they try, that’s also a fun moment. Maybe one day, I’ll be running a combat-ready ship and happen to be in the right spot to see a gank in progress, and maybe I’ll decide it’s worth risking my ship to kill the looter. And maybe - just maybe - I’ll be able to find the new player who lost their ship, and give them the remains of the ganker’s looting ship to help them get back on their feet… probably not, but it’s not impossible. For now though, I’ll just be learning the ropes, and probably dying a lot when I step beyond the beginner systems and into the “real” world. Welcome to New Eden. o7 ---
**Author:** ![Io\_Koval](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/io_koval/32/282426_2.png) [@Io\_Koval](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Io_Koval)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/745 "2022-09-26T00:27:12Z")
Welcome, Omnis. Hope you enjoy your time in game! ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:27am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/746 "2022-09-26T00:27:54Z")
> [@Lucas\_Kell](#): > > Nope. The interview quite literally state that only “the majority” of systems would be open PvP. Based on the original design the systems that weren’t “Open PvP” are concord protected systems, and that’s highsec. Lucas…when you can see Sydney Opera House approaching at the end of the hole you are digging yourself into, don’t you think it’s time to stop digging ? ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:49am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/748 "2022-09-26T00:49:00Z")
> [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > Is killing my cheap Venture going to be fun? If your answer is “yes” then go for it, if you succeed, that’s on me for not keeping myself safe enough. I’m both a miner and a ganker. Never been ganked in a Venture in a year of playing Eve…the align time is good and any alert player _should_ be able to escape, especially if they have gankers on ‘bad standing’ and notice them enter the system. In fact I have had two kill rights against failed ganks by rookie gankers. As a ganker I _would_ gank a Venture if it was a non corp player mining in belts that the corp usually mines. Though in fact a few regular patrols in a Catalyst usually persuades them to mine somewhere else. > [@Omnis\_Decline](#): > > If that means seeing my ships explode to a random gank that makes the other guy laugh, cool! Nothing gets one better used to one’s ships exploding than being a ganker. Its a great way of overcoming fretting over losing ships…because one loses a ship every mission. Every miner should try it ! ---
**Author:** ![Omnis\_Decline](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/omnis_decline/32/335677_2.png) [@Omnis\_Decline](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Omnis_Decline)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2022, 12:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/749 "2022-09-26T00:55:38Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > Never been ganked in a Venture in a year of playing Eve…the align time is good and any alert player _should_ be able to escape, especially if they have gankers on ‘bad standing’ and notice them enter the system Yeah, that’s why I say “that’s on me” if someone succeeds in a gank attempt on my Venture. Because the Venture isn’t an easy ship to stop when it wants to run. And thanks for the reply and advice, I’ll keep it in mind. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=27) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=29)