# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 2:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/85 "2022-09-08T14:15:06Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The difference is that it’s formatted as an act of physical aggression. “I’m charging you rent” does not tend to trigger aggressive reactions in the modern world (although even there you have violent exceptions). > > “I’m shooting you and destroying your stuff and killing you and leaving your corpse behind” is in fact **designed** to trigger all sorts of deep emotional instinctive human behavioral responses. > > I really don’t get why so many people have difficulty understanding that if you act aggressively towards other players, a small percentage of those players will respond with anger and abuse. > > It’s like these people want to act out their aggressive fantasies but they can’t handle it when they get aggression back. > > If you blow someone’s ship out from under them and the only thing they can shoot back with is words, then some of them will use words. Expecting a “gf!” and a friendly salute and being upset if you don’t get those is just pure candy-ass. > > HTFU people - if you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen. I am not asking people to not act emotionally to spaceship combat. I am asking people to acknowledge that the game revolves around spaceship combat, it is the core mechanic of the game. It is to be expected that people are going to shoot your spaceship. People using core mechanic of the game, in game, is not toxic behavior, but is EvE working as expected. Calling the behavior that the game is designed around “toxic” and demanding that the behavior be penalized to the point that it is almost impossible destroys the game of EvE. I am not asking that people be happy about having their spaceship blown up. I am asking that people recognize that it is going to happen. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/86 "2022-09-08T15:12:50Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If PvP is toxic, should PvPers be arrested in real life? > > Is video game PvP an IRL cybercrime? I was playing chess the other day and one of my pawns got taken. This clearly amounts to theft and harassment. _And_ they moved their pieces into my side of the board…which is trespass. In mean, what kind of a toxic game is it where I can’t just look at all 16 of my pieces for 2 hours and get a ’ you won chess ’ medal at the end ? I was **so** disturbed by this that I’m now seeing a hypnotic regression therapist. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/87 "2022-09-08T15:28:10Z")
> [@Aiko\_Danuja](#): > > If PvP is toxic There is a wide range of PvP. **Ganking is toxic.** There are so many players that want to engage in acceptable PvP. Yet, you choose to shoot Ventures. I think it speaks volumes about your character. #ENDHSGANKING ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/88 "2022-09-08T15:37:30Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > There is a wide range of PvP. **Ganking is toxic.** Miners get attacked by pirate NPCs in asteroid belts on a constant basis, in a manner no different to ganking. An alt of mine even lost a ship to 8 NPC pirates with warp scram…in highsec. No different to gankers. And yet in all my time on these forums I have never once…ever…seen a call for ganking by pirate NPCs to be banned. Why is that ? ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/89 "2022-09-08T15:42:08Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > ganking by pirate NPCs LOL Have you ever heard of, or seen a Marauder destroyed on a gate (in HS) by NPC’s? I’ll wait. #NOTTHESAME ---
**Author:** ![Kezrai\_Charzai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/kezrai_charzai/32/394578_2.png) [@Kezrai\_Charzai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Kezrai_Charzai)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/90 "2022-09-08T15:48:24Z")
You kinda jumped from Ventures to Marauders pretty fast there. If you look at Safety. 's kill board, you don’t see a majority of Ventures on there. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/91 "2022-09-08T15:54:37Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > You kinda jumped from Ventures I used Ventures as an example. I don’t think I need to list ALL ships that gankers shoot to make that example work. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/92 "2022-09-08T15:58:55Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Have you ever heard of, or seen a Marauder destroyed on a gate (in HS) by NPC’s? Since when was a 2bn ISK T2 battleship with bastion mode not a valid PvP target anywhere in Eve ? You are evading the fact that _basic_ ships, miners, etc, get ‘ganked’ by pirates all the time. Being attacked by pirates is part of PvE in Eve. You have not explained why it should not also be part of PvP. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/93 "2022-09-08T16:00:40Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > anywhere in Eve You literally argue with yourself. #GANKINGISBAD ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/94 "2022-09-08T16:01:35Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > You literally argue with yourself. OK…so you can’t answer the question. Which effectively does answer it. ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/95 "2022-09-08T16:06:35Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > so you can’t answer the question I’ve answered that question multiple times. You’re either illiterate or too lazy to read them. ![](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/5/4/b/54b6dff8b3f7e07885cca569c10b384e4f5001e1.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/96 "2022-09-08T16:37:43Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > I’ve answered that question multiple times. Nope…and I now deem your posts a waste of forum space… ---
**Author:** ![Codename\_Razorback](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/codename_razorback/32/486427_2.png) [@Codename\_Razorback](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Codename_Razorback)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:09pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/97 "2022-09-08T17:09:33Z")
> [@Altara\_Zemara](#): > > and I now deem ✅ Noted ✅ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 5:10pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/98 "2022-09-08T17:10:37Z")
> [@T\_Elliot](#): > > Are you flirting with me Destiny? IMO she digs you bruh ---
**Author:** ![DrysonBennington](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/drysonbennington/32/501369_2.png) [@DrysonBennington](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DrysonBennington)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 6:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/99 "2022-09-08T18:34:11Z")
Shooting someone else’s spaceship in Eve Online is very toxic, especially in High Sec. If you can’t manage your ISK, other than blowing up peaceful ships in High Sec, that is toxic behavior. If can you Skipjack into Null to raid ESS sites and don’t, but can only gank High Sec ships, that is toxic behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/100 "2022-09-08T18:52:10Z")
Any obstacle or semblance of competition or anything that makes me lose is of course obviously toxic. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/101 "2022-09-08T19:11:17Z")
People should just say “you’re a winner” to me. And if they don’t, they obviously suffer from toxic behaviors. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/102 "2022-09-08T19:12:09Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Shooting someone else’s spaceship in Eve Online is very toxic Why does CCP allow it? ---
**Author:** ![Scipio\_Artelius](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/scipio_artelius/32/408264_2.png) [@Scipio\_Artelius](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Scipio_Artelius)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/103 "2022-09-08T19:15:20Z")
> [@Codename\_Razorback](#): > > Have you ever heard of, or seen a Marauder destroyed on a gate (in HS) by NPC’s? > > I’ll wait. > **[Golem | RUSBarab | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/102952443/)** > > RUSBarab (R.U.S.H) lost their Golem in Onnamon (Black Rise). Final Blow by Apollo Tyrannos (Vigilant Tyrannos) flying in a Drifter Battleship. Total Value: 1,583,460,033.28 ISK > **[Vargur | YiloAether | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/102892789/)** > > YiloAether (New Eden Observatory) lost their Vargur in Avesber (Heimatar) Total Value: 1,798,458,316.52 ISK > **[Vargur | B0ZziLLa | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/102753565/)** > > B0ZziLLa (Zaltje) lost their Vargur in Perimeter (The Forge) Total Value: 2,671,083,729.60 ISK > **[Golem | Lunch Plate | Killmail](https://zkillboard.com/kill/102701257/)** > > Lunch Plate (Lo Pan Imports) lost their Golem in Vaajaita (Lonetrek) Total Value: 2,147,385,825.88 ISK There are always players out there stupid enough to lose a ship in a ridiculous manner. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/104 "2022-09-08T19:26:07Z")
> [@DrysonBennington](#): > > Shooting someone else’s spaceship in Eve Online is very toxic, especially in High Sec. If you can’t manage your ISK, other than blowing up peaceful ships in High Sec, that is toxic behavior. If can you Skipjack into Null to raid ESS sites and don’t, but can only gank High Sec ships, that is toxic behavior. The game is built around the concept of space battles. Is it toxic to capture your opponents pieces in chess? [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=4) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=6)