# Shooting player’s spaceships in EvE is not toxic behavior **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [September 7, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137 "2022-09-07T16:04:23Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![Xuixien](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xuixien/32/416896_2.png) [@Xuixien](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xuixien)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/166 "2022-09-10T15:50:28Z")
High Security =| Total Security ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 4:00pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/167 "2022-09-10T16:00:50Z")
> [@Kezrai\_Charzai](#): > > The emotional aspects of EVE play are there by design Yup! By design, by design this game is for human beings who are born with a self-cherishing mind that has endless self-grasping. So EVE is just like crack for human mind and it is by design… the game is made in a way that self identification happens over and over. What do we do then? Just like we weren’t prepared to live real life, EVE players weren’t prepared to play EVE… the new AIR tutorial is quite good because from the tutorial you already start dying, it’s quite beautiful. Now the AIR career there is an achievement of destructiom, that is being destroyed many times. CCP did a good job in the AIR stuff wit that, this new view on the subject is the right direciton. ---
**Author:** ![Ramona\_McCandless](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ramona_mccandless/32/468438_2.png) [@Ramona\_McCandless](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ramona_McCandless)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 4:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/168 "2022-09-10T16:25:25Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > CCP did a good job in the AIR stuff wit that, this new view on the subject is the right direciton. What, bribes rather than quality, engaging gameplay? Is the Frigate prize still as sweet after your 200th NPC kill? ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 6:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/169 "2022-09-10T18:30:57Z")
> [@Ully\_Loom](#): > > Monetization is already present at all levels of the game for the sole benefit of CCP, and it is called erosion of player assets in the form of destruction and taxation! Someone doesn’t know how capitalism works huh? Must be shocking 😃 > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > i was an ultra player killer in Ultima Online… in all those RPGs no one thought killing people was toxic. Oh, people still cried plenty 😃 > [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > I got way more shakes in Ultima Online True story. ---
**Author:** ![Destiny\_Corrupted](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/destiny_corrupted/32/411527_2.png) [@Destiny\_Corrupted](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Destiny_Corrupted)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 7:57pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/170 "2022-09-10T19:57:30Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > This is why I do understand the people who get killed in EVE and get traumatized… it’s because they are overly identified with their character just like we identify ourselves with the self in real life. I mean, I get it. It’s a good post and theory overall, but I still totally disagree with this. If you look at players who get toxic after being killed, most have completely generic characters, many with gibberish names, generic portraits, and no bios. Having killed thousands of players over the years, the conclusion I came to is that most of them get the shakes, or get angry and toxic after taking losses, only because they either have the potential to lose assets and money during an encounter, or have lost assets and money during an encounter. Most people are greedy little hoarders (it’s hardwired into our instincts), and being forced to part with some possessions is more painful than being cut with a knife. People who become attached to their characters have evolved beyond this base form through philosophy/rationalization of their in-game existence. Those people are actually _less_ likely to become angry and toxic when killed, because the intelligence that they possess that is required to reach this next step also makes them understand that getting angry and lashing out will accomplish absolutely nothing, and definitely won’t improve their situation if they take a loss. I’ve very rarely seen experienced PvPers display a high degree of toxicity. ---
**Author:** ![Xucca](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/xucca/32/373499_2.png) [@Xucca](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Xucca)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:42pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/171 "2022-09-10T21:42:30Z")
I think it depends greately on the circumstances. We all know some take it easier than others but never if common sense dictates that an action is unfair. Which is the difference with real life, where there is often chance to get back. Most don’t take that chance, but it’s there. High sec as example, is a trap or a test, coded as is intentionally, bottlenecks placed strategically and in general, mechanics favor the trap and even tho one cannot fight or get back to all inconvenients derived from it, in the end, is part of the curriculum, as toxic, as an npc attack, People just want to fight back at people even if they have zero skills and the grudge hold can outlive the person… or the toon in this case. Most of the best times in EVE took place with a feud as background because they knew for certain that they were coming back at it… the majority ended in good friendships along the ranks afterall. In other words, I believe more ways of fighting back could be coded, far beyond the time lapse of an encounter, fair or not, which could be interesting… but never “eternal”. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Roke](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/big_roke/32/323775_2.png) [@Big\_Roke](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Big_Roke)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:53pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/172 "2022-09-10T21:53:28Z")
When I 1st started playing Eve it was pretty renowned for being a hardcore game; a single shard sandbox like the wild west. I don’t think it’s ever been advertised as a pink and fluffy cushioned care bear environment, so I can’t understand why people complain about what Eve is. Over the years CCP has even made it less hardcore yet even then people complain. In a RL example, I can remember a pub getting a complaint to the council from a person who purchased a house next to the pub. WTF, you knew you were buying a house next to a pub so how can you not expect the noise etc from the pub. Who would buy a house without due diligence of the environment? That analogy is for people who play Eve and expect not to be in a PvP environment. ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/173 "2022-09-10T21:55:45Z")
> [@Arya\_Yeshe](#): > > I will write an honest supposing all you say is true i kinda get it but i really think you have to much hate in your life try this > **[Tao Te Ching, by Laozi. Translated by James Legge - Free ebook download](https://standardebooks.org/ebooks/laozi/tao-te-ching/james-legge)** > > Free epub ebook download of the Standard Ebooks edition of Tao Te Ching: One of the fundamental texts of the Tao philosophy and religion. it worked wonders for me no joke btw audible version is THE BEST create a account get it for free , I’m not paid or work on amazon but man , this may be the best recommendation i could ever give > **[Tao Te Ching](https://www.audible.com/pd/Tao-Te-Ching-Audiobook/B07KX4ZCH6?action_code=ASSGB149080119000H&share_location=pdp&shareTest=TestShare)** > > Check out this great listen on Audible.com. The original mindfulness book, in a landmark new translation by the award-winning translator of the I Ching and The Art of War The most translated book in the world after the Bible, the Tao Te Ching, or... ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/174 "2022-09-10T22:27:17Z")
> [@Destiny\_Corrupted](#): > > only because they either have the potential to lose assets and money during an encounter, or have lost assets and money during an encounter Yes, I believe there is this second type of people, they really don’t see the ship as a ship. They see the ship as if it was some kind of seed of a wish-fulling tree that can give infinite fruits of wealth, future and fame. When that ship dies they go completely nuts as if you cancelled their entire future. ---
**Author:** ![Arya\_Yeshe](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arya_yeshe/32/397211_2.png) [@Arya\_Yeshe](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arya_Yeshe)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 10:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/175 "2022-09-10T22:43:13Z")
What if people feel frustrated and powerless, since they have no idea what to do next? Knowledge is very powerful in EVE, when you learn the game enough you see opportunities everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:34pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/176 "2022-09-10T23:34:37Z")
After reading the OP and every other reply in this whole thread, all I can say is… ‘‘What a colossal waste of time’’ ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 10, 2022, 11:38pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/177 "2022-09-10T23:38:49Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > ‘‘What a colossal waste of time’’ yeah i also miss my date with a super model my weekly talk with F Tim Cook and don’t even start talking about Davos ---
**Author:** ![Gix\_Firebrand](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/gix_firebrand/32/456949_2.png) [@Gix\_Firebrand](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Gix_Firebrand)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/178 "2022-09-11T01:04:04Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > After reading the OP and every other reply in this whole thread, all I can say is… > > ‘‘What a colossal waste of time’’ Figures you’d be toxic 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldmychar_forisk/32/333890_2.png) [@SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SoldMyChar_ForISK)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 1:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/179 "2022-09-11T01:56:06Z")
I did not consent for any PVP if they want to grief people they can go to the PVP server. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/180 "2022-09-11T02:06:14Z")
Lol, there is no pvp server. And griefing only exists for new players in the starter areas. Anything after that is legit ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:30am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/181 "2022-09-11T02:30:50Z")
This is not Elite Dangerous, buddy. No solo mode here. ---
**Author:** ![SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/soldmychar_forisk/32/333890_2.png) [@SoldMyChar\_ForISK](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/SoldMyChar_ForISK)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/182 "2022-09-11T02:41:22Z")
Definately marking these toxic griefers and petitioning this bad gameplay. @Ax_l_Thorne@Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras watch out for friendly players these guys up to no good ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/183 "2022-09-11T02:43:46Z")
Lol. Dude im like one of the biggest carebears on the forums. Even the gankers will laugh at you for suggesting im toxic lol. Shooting someone for any reason doesn’t constitute griefing. Sorry not sorry but that is how EVE is, was and hopefully always will be ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/184 "2022-09-11T03:15:01Z")
> [@SoldMyChar\_ForISK](#): > > Definately marking these toxic griefers and petitioning this bad gameplay. You’re playing the wrong game man. When you undock, you’re consenting to pvp. It’s been like that for the last 18 years. Why should it change for you? ---
**Author:** ![tutucox\_Khamsi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/tutucox_khamsi/32/430743_2.png) [@tutucox\_Khamsi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/tutucox_Khamsi)\ **Post date:** [September 11, 2022, 3:38am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137/185 "2022-09-11T03:38:46Z")
EVE is such a great game that it mimics real life in several aspects the tribalism is one people fight with their brothers they think that they are a victim because they don’t do PVP , and think that all PVP players are toxic what they don’t observe is that in EVE as in life the only oppressive force is the MANY vs the INDIVIDUAL nowadays some people started to use the expression silent majority BUT they use it backwards , they think that the silent majority is the many normies vs the few woke thats because they didn’t read "enemy of the people " and didn’t even know who was Henrik Ibsen because people are dumb I’m anti woke like the next man but that always gets on my nerves you are not oppressed by the princess or by DC or by me you are oppressed by the fossilized opinion of the silent majority that in the end turns into a leviathan with infinite power > “todo poder emana do povo” all power emanate from the people , is written in the Brazilian constitution in other words if you have a oppressive system that you dislike is because YOU the people made it so, you deserve it , eat it fool , or grow some balls and turn yourself from a sheep into a person stop blaming your brother and take some ■■■■■■■ responsibility i will end this AMAZING post with a spoiler from the final page of Henrik Ibsen 1882 book ![Captura de Tela 2022-09-11 às 00.35.44](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/a/a/3aa7bc9d45903d4a22ed50c7a82cf754da2c9b1e.png) [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=8) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/shooting-player-s-spaceships-in-eve-is-not-toxic-behavior/376137.md?page=10)