# Should 1 man corps be banned? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [May 10, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116 "2019-05-10T17:01:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 5:55am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/122 "2019-05-11T05:55:22Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > promoting yourself to out-of-corp-corp-boss is cheating That’s not what the EULA/COC says. Don’t make up rules, troll. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/123 "2019-05-11T05:56:31Z")
. > [@Bellanea\_Rajanir](#): > > 1-man corps are like self-employment. We have economic freedom as the right for every capsuleer and its good. I really like this. This is the first answer that supports one man corps that has a valid point. I can’t argue with it. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 5:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/124 "2019-05-11T05:56:47Z")
I think they should be disbanded, yes. A corp that cannot maintain a minimum number of active members (Let’s say 5.) is not a successful corporation. It is not a viable group in its own right and the members should be shunted to organizations that actually contribute to the viability of EVE as a whole or if they don’t want to create or join one of those then they should be put in an NPC corp until they do. A corporation is literally a body of players. It is not a body of player. The extra layer over the one individual or I would say even over the 1 character and 2 or 3 alts, is unnecessary overhead. In order for a corporation to mean something, it should have to provide some service to the player base, a “public good” you might say, even if that is just as some place a noob might stop in on his/her journey through the experience that is New Eden. Why should you get all the privileges of corp-hood, including the ability to reduce your taxes to The State down to nothing? You should have to do something for us in return. Else, don’t be a corporation. Tough luck. Only CCP can know for certain, but it is my suspicion that 1-man corporations increase the rate of attrition of EVE players. Do 1-man-corp players have a shorter or longer stay in EVE? And, I don’t refer to alts. Obviously, someone with 10 alts each in 1-man corps probably has more invested and will stay longer than a single players 1 single character in an NPC corp or otherwise. My question: does sitting alone in a corporation channel make you more or less likely to keep playing the game? ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 5:57am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/125 "2019-05-11T05:57:38Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > > promoting yourself to out-of-corp-corp-boss is cheating > > That’s not what the EULA/COC says. Don’t make up rules, troll. Honey, the formula is quite simple isn’t it? You’re either playing Eve the right way or you aren’t. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 5:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/126 "2019-05-11T05:58:53Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > ou’re either playing Eve the right way or you aren’t. No, it’s a sandbox, you should read up on EVE Online. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:03am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/127 "2019-05-11T06:03:06Z")
> [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](#): > > I think they should be disbanded, yes. > > A corp that cannot maintain a minimum number of active members (Let’s say 5.) is not a successful corporation. It is not a viable group in its own right and the members should be shunted to organizations that actually contribute to the viability of EVE as a whole or if they don’t want to create or join one of those then they should be put in an NPC corp until they do. > > A corporation is literally a body of players. It is not a body of player. The extra layer over the one individual or I would say even over the 1 character and 2 or 3 alts, is unnecessary overhead. In order for a corporation to mean something, it should have to provide some service to the player base, a “public good” you might say, even if that is just as some place a noob might stop in on his/her journey through the experience that is New Eden. Why should you get all the privileges of corp-hood, including the ability to reduce your taxes to The State down to nothing? You should have to do something for us in return. Else, don’t be a corporation. Tough luck. > > Only CCP can know for certain, but it is my suspicion that 1-man corporations increase the rate of attrition of EVE players. Do 1-man-corp players have a shorter or longer stay in EVE? And, I don’t refer to alts. Obviously, someone with 10 alts each in 1-man corps probably has more invested and will stay longer than a single players 1 single character in an NPC corp or otherwise. My question: does sitting alone in a corporation channel make you more or less likely to keep playing the game? A VERY well put and interesting argument for the ‘against’ side. And you make an interesting point with that question at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:04am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/128 "2019-05-11T06:04:48Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > > ou’re either playing Eve the right way or you aren’t. > > No, it’s a sandbox, you should read up on EVE Online. Excellent point! Finally someone nailed it. So Eve is a sandbox which means I create my own destiny. What I’m looking for are VALID answers. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:07am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/129 "2019-05-11T06:07:30Z")
Ok Rivr, if like you say you are bringing over 300 characters together from a variety of backgrounds then you get a pass. THIS TIME ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/130 "2019-05-11T06:12:39Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > What I’m looking for are VALID answers. Change the title “Should one player (=one account or more accounts from same player) corps be disbanded?” I replied “That is a dumb question as it is (1) IMPOSSIBLE for CCP to know and (2) Easy to work around by just asking a friend in RL to log in as an alpha once.”. I understand that it is difficult to understand what you ask cannot be realised. What you ask is impossible, no matter what arguments for or against. Your question itself IS invalid. I will repeat : No matter what arguments against (or in favour), it cannot be implemented. I hope you understand that. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/131 "2019-05-11T06:16:27Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > > What I’m looking for are VALID answers. > > Change the title “Should one player (=one account or more accounts from same player) corps be disbanded?” > I replied “That is a dumb question as it is (1) IMPOSSIBLE for CCP to know and (2) Easy to work around by just asking a friend in RL to log in as an alpha once.”. I understand that it is difficult to understand what you ask cannot be realised. What you ask is impossible, no matter what arguments for or against. Your question itself IS invalid. > > I will repeat : No matter what arguments against (or in favour), it cannot be implemented. I hope you understand that. I wouldn’t be so sure of that. If CCP are smart enough to make Eve in the first place then I’m sure they can implement a simple way of filtering out one man corps AND alt-only corps. ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/132 "2019-05-11T06:16:51Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > Because by promoting yourself to out-of-corp-corp-boss is cheating, and you aren’t adding any flavour to the game with your idleness. how exactly is it cheating? by that logic then anyone who uses a spreadsheet for industry is also cheating. > [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > What exactly does your one man corp do to help your bigger corp? makes the game more enjoyable for me, which (among other things) helps keep me playing. also makes my month by month accounting take a couple hours by just copy and pasting from the various corp wallets into the relevant sections of my accounting sheet rather than having to spend days sifting through all the transactions to make sure things are going in the right place. days that I can then spend doing stuff with the corp. not to mention it makes funding my activities and running my marketeering/trade much easier, which keeps me liquid, which keeps me, and often my corp mates, in the expensive ships that I like to loose so frequently. ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:21am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/133 "2019-05-11T06:21:11Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > I’m sure they can implement a simple way of filtering out one man corps AND alt-only corps. They simply can’t. I even told you a perfect workaround by adding one or more RL friends in the game that don’t even have to play. What part don’t you understand? It is not possible and even if the would gather more information on subscribers, there is a workaround that is so simple, every kid can do it. What would be the purpose? Can you try and answer my question I posed a few posts back? Probably not, you don’t care about the lack of reasoning behind your demands. I just wonder if you can explain your salty tears about the one man corporations that is making life hell for your one man posting spree. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/134 "2019-05-11T06:22:31Z")
> [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > > Because by promoting yourself to out-of-corp-corp-boss is cheating, and you aren’t adding any flavour to the game with your idleness. > > how exactly is it cheating? by that logic then anyone who uses a spreadsheet for industry is also cheating. Using spreadsheets and playing the game are two different things. > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > makes the game more enjoyable for me, which (among other things) helps keep me playing I can accept that as a valid reason why one man corps are a good thing. > [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](#): > > also makes my month by month accounting take a couple hours by just copy and pasting from the various corp wallets into the relevant sect This is NOT a valid reason. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/135 "2019-05-11T06:24:08Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > Can you try and answer my question I posed a few posts back? What question? ---
**Author:** ![Aedaxus](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aedaxus/32/393915_2.png) [@Aedaxus](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aedaxus)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/136 "2019-05-11T06:26:01Z")
This one about your emotional claims that one man corps are not doing anything for the MMO community. > [@Aedaxus](#): > > Please elaborate how one man corps are not doing anything for the MMO community. ---
**Author:** ![Natocha\_Daisy](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/natocha_daisy/32/474632_2.png) [@Natocha\_Daisy](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Natocha_Daisy)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:31am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/137 "2019-05-11T06:31:13Z")
Ok. Here’s a situation. Mom: Stewart, what are you doing? Stewart: playing my computer game. Mom: which one? Stewart: It’s an online game called Eve. I get to play with hundreds of other real people from all around the world. It’s amazing! Mom: that’s great honey. Have you made any friends? Stewart: No. Mom: why not? Need I say anymore? ---
**Author:** ![Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bjorn_tyrson/32/371958_2.png) [@Bjorn\_Tyrson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bjorn_Tyrson)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:43am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/138 "2019-05-11T06:43:29Z")
> [@Natocha\_Daisy](#): > > > also makes my month by month accounting take a couple hours by just copy and pasting from the various corp wallets into the relevant sect > > This is NOT a valid reason. why not? saves me hours of paperwork, which means more time spent in space. dunno about you, but personally I prefer people who undock, and if having alt corps means they can keep things organized easier so need to spend less time fiddling with numbers, all the better. ---
**Author:** ![Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/runa_yamaguchi/32/197532_2.png) [@Runa\_Yamaguchi](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Runa_Yamaguchi)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:53am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/139 "2019-05-11T06:53:06Z")
NPC are the default and set the baseline for taxes where as Corps and POS set their own tax rate (more or less). It’s not ‘extra’ but rather in POS or corps it’s possible to pay _less_ in taxes which I have no problem with. The point is that one man corps are ghosts many/most of the time in regards to stations because the real owners don’t want to be wardec’ed so they install a figurehead. This is an exploit of the wardec system and needs to be addresses. I actually don’t care about 1-person corps except when it comes to owning stations. I am a solo player and have my own corp but I have a bunch of alts so… ---
**Author:** ![Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/nicolai_serkanner/32/358049_2.png) [@Nicolai\_Serkanner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Nicolai_Serkanner)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:58am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/140 "2019-05-11T06:58:15Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > However you forgot to add “Go Away” to your usual reply. Natocha has been nice to me before, so I gave her the benefit of the doubt. One more silly suggestion and she is out though. ---
**Author:** ![Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/mayhaw_morgan/32/412682_2.png) [@Mayhaw\_Morgan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Mayhaw_Morgan)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2019, 6:59am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116/141 "2019-05-11T06:59:38Z")
> [@Aedaxus](#): > > I even told you a perfect workaround by adding one or more RL friends in the game that don’t even have to play. “There are no solutions, only tradeoffs.” That a solution isn’t perfect doesn’t mean it should not be implemented. Every rule in every game ever played probably has some sort of workaround. And, the people who work around the rules are usually referred to as cheaters. You can’t catch them all. You can’t stop them all. They ruin games for everyone else. But, should we stop playing Monopoly because grandma gives herself extra money if she’s the banker? Should we cancel the Tour De France because dudes are on steroids to train for it? I would say that they shouldn’t even try to stop “workarounds”. They should just tell us who they think is shooting straight and who they think is “working around”. Then we can decide whether we even want to interact with those players and decide HOW we want to interact with them. The perfect should not be the enemy of the good. [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116.md?page=6) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-1-man-corps-be-banned/158116.md?page=8)