# Should CCP let you buy rights to a ship as an alpha player **URL:** \ **Category:** Player Features & Ideas\ **Created:** [November 20, 2024, 4:23pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715 "2024-11-20T16:23:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/21 "2024-11-20T20:27:35Z")
Any feature introduced to the game which has the effect of increasing the power, skill-base or income of non-Omega players, will be abused to hell and back. It just will. Now, that may not in itself be sufficiently good reason not to add such features, because exploits can be fixed, but there is always the danger of ‘creep’. Power-creep, skillpoint-creep, wealth-creep. In order to keep a cap on such tendencies, CCP may find it necessary to nerf Alpha play in order to preserve disparities. You will not, I know, need me to indicate here what the effect tends to be of nerfing anything in EVE. Introducing Alpha clones was a decision by the company which came with upsides and downsides. I doubt it has the stomach for further tinkering. The introduction of a ‘Delta’ clone might be a good idea, as also might be the creation of any other clone obscurely labelled with a letter of the Greek alphabet and designed to offer increased or reduced access to the game’s features (‘Gamma’ for Veterans, anyone?). I’m happy to leave it as it is. ---
**Author:** ![biscuitgood2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biscuitgood2/32/441367_2.png) [@biscuitgood2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/biscuitgood2)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/22 "2024-11-20T20:30:29Z")
yea i think a Delta clone would work well this is a really good post btw. the main issue with omega is the price if they added a in-between tier it would improve the experience and make them more money. so yea i think a delta clone is a better idea than mine. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![biscuitgood2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biscuitgood2/32/441367_2.png) [@biscuitgood2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/biscuitgood2)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 8:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/23 "2024-11-20T20:49:41Z")
i hate the people that abuse these kinds of things it just makes the game worse for everyone else ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Drew](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_drew/32/395254_2.png) [@ISD\_Drew](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Drew)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2024, 9:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/24 "2024-11-20T21:18:18Z")
bumped to [Player Features & Ideas - EVE Online Forums](https://forums.eveonline.com/c/technology-research/player-features-ideas/74) as this is not a #Forum Feedback & Requests suggestion. ---
**Author:** ![biscuitgood2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biscuitgood2/32/441367_2.png) [@biscuitgood2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/biscuitgood2)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/25 "2024-11-21T16:06:49Z")
sorry bout that ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:24pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/26 "2024-11-21T16:24:49Z")
![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/8/1/781a89055e2c469b437b9e8af0629583260e16b8.jpeg) Maybe ? No idea what it does though … * * * IMO linking the right to the ship is a nonsense. Because you also need modules, and the cost should be low enough that it does not make a cheap ship an excruciating loss. As it is done now with expert system, it makes more sense to me. * * * ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/3/a/3/3a335b61b2ec381bb139a0599f394cf4ae41e91c.png) hmm maybe this one was not good ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/7/4/c/74cf89197a774956cdc6b72e0978a5913d9424d5.png) This one maybe ? lasts 7 days, does it unlock the ships for alphas ? ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/4X/a/0/2/a02ad9211eeba4d8a93f9d49681b64f149d098c4.png) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/27 "2024-11-21T16:28:42Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > No idea what it does though … > IMO linking the right to the ship is a nonsense. Because you also need modules, and the cost should be low enough that it does not make a cheap ship an excruciating loss. If I had to guess, it probably contains a lot of the SKINR skills (sequencing speed, listing, design slots, etc.) ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/28 "2024-11-21T16:30:47Z")
Yes, but I was looking from the NES and actually complaining that the gain is not clear ^^ Sneaky bitter vet strikes again, sssssss But you are right, I provided an ig link that says so. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/29 "2024-11-21T16:31:43Z")
> [@stefnia\_Freir](#): > > Yes, but I was looking from the NES and actually complaining that the gain is not clear ^^ Agreed. Not sure why they don’t indicate what skills are enhanced. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:32pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/30 "2024-11-21T16:32:35Z")
Because otherwise we’d find something else to complain against. It’s a diversion strategy. 🧙 (can’t find a tinfoil hat sry) ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:33pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/31 "2024-11-21T16:33:37Z")
I think it’s an oversight. I’ll mention it in the SKINR Discord. Already heard back from CCP - they’re passing this along to the team that puts those together. ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:35pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/32 "2024-11-21T16:35:37Z")
Do you know if the Expert Systems (ES) also unlock the ship for an alpha ? ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:36pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/33 "2024-11-21T16:36:16Z")
Which specific Expert System? ---
**Author:** ![stefnia\_Freir](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/stefnia_freir/32/390048_2.png) [@stefnia\_Freir](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/stefnia_Freir)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:37pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/34 "2024-11-21T16:37:13Z")
AFAIK the barge one gives access to omega-only ships. ---
**Author:** ![Arthur\_Aihaken](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/arthur_aihaken/32/504104_2.png) [@Arthur\_Aihaken](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Arthur_Aihaken)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:39pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/35 "2024-11-21T16:39:20Z")
That’s a good question - I honestly don’t know the answer. ---
**Author:** ![Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/geo_eclipse_oksaras/32/500781_2.png) [@Geo\_Eclipse\_Oksaras](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Geo_Eclipse_Oksaras)\ **Post date:** [November 21, 2024, 4:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/36 "2024-11-21T16:52:59Z")
it allows them to use the barges, but afterwards no, they can’t sit in a barge. ---
**Author:** ![0ptimus\_Swine](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/0ptimus_swine/32/385816_2.png) [@0ptimus\_Swine](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/0ptimus_Swine)\ **Post date:** [November 22, 2024, 1:51am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/37 "2024-11-22T01:51:00Z")
I see no issue with this idea. But due consideration given to the ship, and supporting skills it will require / unlock. Or maybe it won’t meaning it will neer be flown to it’s full potential, or maybe it can be but only with further one off payments to unlock to the skill sets. I don’t even care, I’m out of this game. ---
**Author:** ![biscuitgood2](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/biscuitgood2/32/441367_2.png) [@biscuitgood2](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/biscuitgood2)\ **Post date:** [December 4, 2024, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/38 "2024-12-04T17:27:14Z")
yea me to i quit ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/4/1/41ec4921cbaca7a6f9ea556e7cc20018461eae5e.png) [@system](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2025, 5:27pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-ccp-let-you-buy-rights-to-a-ship-as-an-alpha-player/468715/39 "2025-03-04T17:27:44Z")
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