# Should life be harder for gankers? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 25, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832 "2024-02-25T13:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/uriel_the_flame/32/490165_2.png) [@Uriel\_the\_Flame](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Uriel_the_Flame)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/342 "2024-03-18T18:02:29Z")
> [@CCP Falcon! o7](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/ccp-falcon-o7/199853/107): > > [[image] ](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/original/3X/3/d/3d0da3d836a0fc8236fc2d85eae43679d1ba6feb.png) I guess the Falcon won this one. 🤭 ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/343 "2024-03-18T18:43:12Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > gankers shouldn’t even exist More hate speech. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/344 "2024-03-18T18:46:02Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > because ganking is a banable offense in every game on the market and one has to adapt to the 21st century gameplay… Ah yes. The old “band wagon” logical fallacy. Back in the 1950, 9 out of 10 doctors recommended smoking cigarettes…. ---
**Author:** ![DeMichael\_Crimson](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/demichael_crimson/32/514115_2.png) [@DeMichael\_Crimson](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/DeMichael_Crimson)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/345 "2024-03-18T18:48:21Z")
I definitely didn’t like his online persona. He did a shitty job as Community Manager here and the game changes he pushed for only caused more players to leave. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 6:48pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/346 "2024-03-18T18:48:40Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Back in the 1950, 9 out of 10 doctors recommended smoking cigarettes…. Because they were being brib-… wait a goddamn minute ---
**Author:** ![Bladewise](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/bladewise/32/394387_2.png) [@Bladewise](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Bladewise)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:14pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/347 "2024-03-18T19:14:55Z")
I don’t play this game anymore because PvP in general has been nerfed into oblivion but I check back every now and then cause the carebear tears are great. My 2c. I played the game for over 10 years and hauled thousands of 10b+ loads straight through uedama in freighters, dsts, orcas, hell even interceptors and have not ONCE been ganked doing this because I always take proper precautions and know how the game mechanics work. I say all that to say, ganking is FAR from OP. Hell it’s barely even profitable now without 20+ accounts which is a full time job to keep up. If anything CCP just needs a better tutorial. HS is already 99% safe if you know what you’re doing. Nerfing that last 1% would be horrible for the player driven economy. Inflation would kill any possibility of a newbro ever catching up isk wise. Hell even now, the only way a newbro has a chance to catch up without unreasonable amounts of RMT is ganking/scamming/theft. Removing ganking entirely would kill the game on many levels. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:18pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/348 "2024-03-18T19:18:26Z")
Interesting nuance of band wagon. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/349 "2024-03-18T19:25:29Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > because ganking is a banable offense in every game on the market and one has to adapt to the 21st century gameplay… This is… clearly nonsense. I can’t think of any game where a behavior that’s expressly allowed by game mechanics is also forbidden by the rules, which isn’t surprising because that would obviously be absurd. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:29pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/350 "2024-03-18T19:29:10Z")
I’d say ganking is more of an exploit, and even then calling it an exploit is a massive leap. It’s more using the mechanics to its fullest. Nothing in the TOS says you can’t take advantage of CONCORD response time to deal as much damage as possible. It does sometimes feel like BS. I once got one tapped off a gate I just warped to, which was the gate _to my destination_, I couldn’t have responded or even checked, because I’ve encountered Tornadoes in the wild before that didn’t gank me. I got the last laugh though, because I was only hauling one thing, and it didn’t drop. Even if it did, it wouldn’t have covered the cost of the ship used to gank me. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/351 "2024-03-18T19:30:41Z")
You’re saying that you’ve never played a pvp game where pvp is a bannable offense? Clearly you’ve never played a pvp game in Kanavaisto’s warped perception of reality. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/352 "2024-03-18T19:49:40Z")
> [@TheHound\_OfGreys](#): > > I’d say ganking is more of an exploit, Exploits are rulebreaking circumventions of intended mechanics, while ganking is expressly allowed, so by definition, ganking != an exploit. An example of an “exploit” would be ganking someone in high sec in a way that _should_ incur a Concord response, but then avoiding the concordokken somehow. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 7:54pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/353 "2024-03-18T19:54:41Z")
> [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > Ironically enough, and to the delight of many, a few years later Falcon just up and quit. I’ll not go into it here, DMC, but I there was more to it than that. Falcon made life harder for people who didn’t behave or who wanted to change the game he undoubtedly loved. He didn’t see why life should be made harder for gankers when their targets got away with doing little or nothing for themselves, and that was _then_! Falcon actually delivered a punch in _my_ direction once, following an ill-advised comment by me in a sub-forum. I was surprised (much else I’d written in a similar vein had been allowed to pass), but not harmed in the least. Temporarily cowed, perhaps. He was doing his job. No one had to _like_ him any more than they have to like any other employee of the Company. I wonder that you revel in such irrelevances. > [@DeMichael\_Crimson](#): > > if you think I was hurt by his little sarcastic reply then you’re sadly mistaken. Perhaps you weren’t hurt at all, DMC. I’ve no way of knowing. However, your remark, above, does bear the unmistakable trace of Sodium crystals. Many of we CODE supporters read the blog post with utter glee. Going back to it just now gave me a wistful chuckle or two, I can tell you! ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 10:40pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/361 "2024-03-18T22:40:04Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > i don’t understand the reference… That’s not the only thing you don’t understand… 😏 ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 11:15pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/363 "2024-03-18T23:15:45Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Or is it just the old white man ‘Every change i do not approve to is bad’ thing Classy take for a guy whining about getting his fake internet spaceships blown up. ---
**Author:** ![Wadiest\_Yong](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wadiest_yong/32/426921_2.png) [@Wadiest\_Yong](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wadiest_Yong)\ **Post date:** [March 18, 2024, 11:52pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/364 "2024-03-18T23:52:56Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Or is it just the old white man ‘Every change i do not approve to is bad’ thing? That’s worthy of a flag. Done. ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:10am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/366 "2024-03-19T00:10:42Z")
like youre so pc ---
**Author:** ![Grimm\_Reborn](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/grimm_reborn/32/383573_2.png) [@Grimm\_Reborn](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Grimm_Reborn)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/367 "2024-03-19T00:12:57Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > EVE has ONE cluster…ALL People are on it so NATURALLY PVP HAS to be restricted to willingly accepted…EVERY other approach is outdated and wrong in the 21st century and there is no discussion needed about this fact… You are correct. EVE has one cluster that just happens to be PVP. It has been PVP for 20 years. Not sure why you insist that needs to change now? You offer no reason other than you don’t like it. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:11am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/368 "2024-03-19T01:11:54Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > Or is it just the old white man ‘Every change i do not approve to is bad’ thing? I’m sure you’re lovely in person. > [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > nope…i just don’t want to be disturbed by idiots that THINK they have the right to disturb my game…this is harrasment…end of story You said “end of story” yesterday but you’re still here. And it’s not your game. It is CCP’s. Even all the ships, modules, ores and isk belongs to CCP. You own nothing in New Eden, not even your clone. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:17am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/370 "2024-03-19T01:17:04Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > You own nothing in New Eden, Well, either you’re a tick, sucking off the free alpha state, or you’re a paycheck funding CCP’s payroll with your PLEX. One is slightly more enduring than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/371 "2024-03-19T01:18:42Z")
> [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Well, either you’re a tick, sucking off the free alpha state, or you’re a paycheck funding CCP’s payroll with your PLEX Or both. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > One is slightly more _endearing_ than the other Fixed it for ya [Previous page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832.md?page=17) [Next page](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832.md?page=19)