# Should life be harder for gankers? **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 25, 2024, 1:26pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832 "2024-02-25T13:26:58Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:19am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/372 "2024-03-19T01:19:24Z")
Thanks! Grammar, thou art my nemesis. That and mobile posting! ---
**Author:** ![Yuzima](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/yuzima/32/416395_2.png) [@Yuzima](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Yuzima)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:23am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/373 "2024-03-19T01:23:05Z")
Welcome > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > Grammar, thou art my nemesis A worthy opponent! Mine has been kicking my butt since grade school. > [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](#): > > That and mobile posting! They should all be destroyed. ---
**Author:** ![Altara\_Zemara](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/altara_zemara/32/390110_2.png) [@Altara\_Zemara](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Altara_Zemara)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:26am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/374 "2024-03-19T01:26:43Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > you simply did not understand what i’m talking about in first place… Seriously…the only thing your ranting reveals is that you yourself don’t have a clue what you are talking about. ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/375 "2024-03-19T01:28:25Z")
> [@Yuzima](#): > > A worthy opponent! > Mine has been kicking my butt since grade school. One day we shall emerge victorious! > [@Yuzima](#): > > They should all be destroyed. Agreed. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Crawla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_crawla/32/412885_2.png) [@ISD\_Crawla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Crawla)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:16am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/377 "2024-03-19T02:16:08Z")
1. Specifically restricted conduct.\*\* The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: - Trolling - Flaming - Ranting - Personal Attacks - Harassment - Doxxing - **Racism & Discrimination** - Hate Speech - Sexism - Spamming - Bumping - Off-Topic Posting - Pyramid Quoting - Rumor Mongering - New Player Bashing - Impersonation - Advertising ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Crawla](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_crawla/32/412885_2.png) [@ISD\_Crawla](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Crawla)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:18am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/378 "2024-03-19T02:18:00Z")
The purpose of the EVE Online forums is to provide a platform for exchange of ideas, and a venue for the discussion of EVE Online. Occasionally there will be conflicts that arise when people voice opinions. Forum users are expected to courteous when disagreeing with others. In order to maintain an environment where everyone is welcome and discussion flows freely, certain types of conduct are prohibited on the EVE Online forums. These are: - Trolling - Flaming - Ranting - Personal Attacks - Harassment - Doxxing \*\*\* Racism & Discrimination\*\* - Hate Speech - Sexism - Spamming - Bumping - Off-Topic Posting - Pyramid Quoting - Rumor Mongering - New Player Bashing - Impersonation - Advertising ---
**Author:** ![milkyway\_miner](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/milkyway_miner/32/413091_2.png) [@milkyway\_miner](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/milkyway_miner)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:24am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/379 "2024-03-19T02:24:33Z")
would have been nice if you highlites what was wrong with post (lazy) ---
**Author:** ![Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/ax_l_thorne/32/412835_2.png) [@Ax\_l\_Thorne](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Ax_l_Thorne)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 2:32am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/380 "2024-03-19T02:32:06Z")
Protip, don’t criticize the ISD. It is one of the forum breaking rules set by them and they can ban hammer you for it. Best approach is to look at your post and ascertain what was in it that might have got it flagged. I’m sure mine was because I used a specific word that is on their red flag list. ---
**Author:** ![TheHound\_OfGreys](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/thehound_ofgreys/32/412487_2.png) [@TheHound\_OfGreys](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/TheHound_OfGreys)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 3:22am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/385 "2024-03-19T03:22:29Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > they had to go at some point… Yes, but that was cosmic degrees of bad luck. EVE online has done something most games have failed to do, which is survive. The constant risk of PvP makes it engaging because it keeps you on your toes and forces you to actually use those critical thinking skills that everyone should be using. Instead of making shitfits everytime you want to do something around other players, you have to consider “well, what if I’m ganked?” I’m not saying ganking is good and all (I’m pretty indifferent, I just really dislike a lot of gankers), but removing the PvP aspect of a game where surprise PvP is something that is generally accepted as a fact of life by most. Dude, I know how much ganking sucks, because I do hauling. But I don’t go crying whenever I get nuked by a gate camp in low, I don’t think an entire subset of players should have their play style ripped out of their hands and then given the bird when they complain. To summarize that wall of text (sorry about that, btw), if you think, you dont get got. Simple as. ---
**Author:** ![Dracvlad](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/dracvlad/32/444126_2.png) [@Dracvlad](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Dracvlad)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 8:06am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/386 "2024-03-19T08:06:24Z")
I really don’t like the question posed in this thread: “Should life be harder for gankers?” It is an emotion led comment suggesting that it is all about making life harder for gankers, but it is not. The question I have always had is as follows: “Should single account players have more options and better game balance to avoid a gank by players excessively multi-boxing at the point of tackle?” NB. When there was a lot of discussion on bumping before it got changed to what it is now, the gankers were saying “ending bumping will end ganking”, it was wrong headed and incorrect because ganking did not end. See what I said about emotion as compared to logic. The question on that one however is the knock on effect of that change. Because bumping made it so easy, the gankers were able to gather huge amounts of ISK, which enabled them to create large numbers of accounts and perhaps fund those running around ganking miners. I wonder if that was the point they were making, but getting a clear answer from gankers is like getting water from a stone. Below two gankers have replied to me, both are blocked because they are both insulting and emotive, and jump into individual insults and snide comments. Intelligent debate with gankers is impossible because of people like this and is the reason why you get emotive questions like that posed by the OP. ---
**Author:** ![Aiko\_Danuja](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/aiko_danuja/32/481237_2.png) [@Aiko\_Danuja](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Aiko_Danuja)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 8:09am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/387 "2024-03-19T08:09:10Z")
Single account players are free to add another account. ---
**Author:** ![Vuhdo\_Rin](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/vuhdo_rin/32/378868_2.png) [@Vuhdo\_Rin](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Vuhdo_Rin)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 8:12am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/388 "2024-03-19T08:12:58Z")
> [@Dracvlad](#): > > more options and better game balance to avoid a gank by player What did you want ? You have everything you need … if you dont k ow how to use all the ‘TOOLS’ then its not CCP’s fault ! We dont need more option to reduce ganking ! ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 10:56am UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/391 "2024-03-19T10:56:55Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > SAD SAD SAD… Thread successfully derailed. Op success. Return to base. ---
**Author:** ![Sar\_Gon](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sar_gon/32/509887_2.png) [@Sar\_Gon](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sar_Gon)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:28pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/392 "2024-03-19T12:28:21Z")
Its already hard enough. Try it yourself. You are going to see. ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/393 "2024-03-19T12:44:16Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > WOW…even remarking and admitting that PVP is not forbidden at a server SPECIAL MADE UP FOR PVP shows that you simply did not understand what i’m talking about in first place… I am pretty sure I understand what you are talking about. It is just that I am pretty sure you are wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Namdor](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/namdor/32/396179_2.png) [@Namdor](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Namdor)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/394 "2024-03-19T12:46:12Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > EVE has ONE cluster…ALL People are on it so NATURALLY PVP HAS to be restricted to willingly accepted… Good news! By logging in and undocking, you’ve willingly accepted PvP in Eve Online! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![T\_Elliot](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/t_elliot/32/453851_2.png) [@T\_Elliot](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/T_Elliot)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 12:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/395 "2024-03-19T12:47:11Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > NO …it will not…it will just be different…but better… Removing non-consentual PvP from EvE will make it the same as 98% of the other MMO’s out there, only EvE has significantly worse PvE than most. That is not a recipe for success. ---
**Author:** ![Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/wes_wyhunnan/32/409400_2.png) [@Wes\_Wyhunnan](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Wes_Wyhunnan)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:06pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/396 "2024-03-19T13:06:26Z")
> [@Kanavaisto\_Askiras](#): > > SAD SAD SAD… I feel like you are the one who’s sad. The rest of us are very happy playing the game as is. Maybe someday you will get it to change, but it won’t be today, or tomorrow, or next week, or next month. So keep your eyes peeled in hi sec for all that griefing. If you actually played the game of course. ---
**Author:** ![Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/sasha_nemtsov/32/393707_2.png) [@Sasha\_Nemtsov](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/Sasha_Nemtsov)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 1:44pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/397 "2024-03-19T13:44:20Z")
One of the changes which made life harder for gankers - and for hunters of all types - was the removal of the Watch List. Does anyone still remember that? It was so useful to be notified when someone you were after logged into or out of the game. A quick visit to a Locator Agent - and Bob might very well be your uncle! The feature should be reinstated. ---
**Author:** ![ISD\_Kai](https://sea1.discourse-cdn.com/eveonline/user_avatar/forums.eveonline.com/isd_kai/32/402812_2.png) [@ISD\_Kai](https://forums.eveonline.com/u/ISD_Kai)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2024, 3:47pm UTC](https://forums.eveonline.com/t/should-life-be-harder-for-gankers/440832/399 "2024-03-19T15:47:33Z")
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